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No Boy, Girl
« on: September 28, 2017, 03:21:29 PM »
Hi everyone,

Here is an article about gender neutral schools in Sweden.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/28/health/sweden-gender-neutral-preschool/index.html

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From the moment a child is born, its gender pretty much determines how they will dress, which toys they'll be given and ultimately how they are meant to behave within society.

But some schools in Sweden are trying to strip away such gender norms.

There are no designated areas to play with dolls or building blocks. The toys have been strategically jumbled to create an environment for girls and boys to play together.

These two preschools in Sweden -- Nicolaigarden and Egalia (meaning 'equality' in Latin) -- go to great lengths to de-emphasize gender. Children are given the freedom to challenge and cross gender boundaries.

Rather than encourage children to do particular things, the teachers are careful not to box children based on their gender or subtly discourage them from doing certain things.

The school has removed the terms "girl" and "boy" completely. Instead they make a deliberate effort to call each child by their first name or the gender-neutral pronoun "hen".

But is it necessary to intervene at such a young age, and what are the long-term effects?

"It's an open question what happens to these children when they move into primary school," he says. "My guess is it [gender neutral pedagogy] could continue to influence their behavior potentially, not in a very strong way necessarily. But it may have some lasting effects."

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Any views?

Sriram

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 03:50:57 PM »
I rebelled against being dressed is pretty clothes and the girl's toys I was given. I spent my childhood engaging in reckless activities more associated with the male of the species.

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 03:55:55 PM »
Miss Bennett needed a brassiere before she had completed Year 5.

It was rather obvious as to which gender she belongs.

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 04:45:19 PM »
Miss Bennett needed a brassiere before she had completed Year 5.

It was rather obvious as to which gender she belongs.

Methinks you are confusing sex and gender...

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 05:42:25 PM »
Seems daft, experimenting on children with no actual knowledge of how they will be affected psychologically.

Anyway, what about the influences of parents, family, TV and the rest of society when they are not at school?
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 05:49:49 PM »
Methinks you are confusing sex and gender...

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 05:50:27 PM »
Methinks you are confusing sex and gender...

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Er, no.

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 05:55:14 PM »
Seems daft, experimenting on children with no actual knowledge of how they will be affected psychologically.

Anyway, what about the influences of parents, family, TV and the rest of society when they are not at school?

Isn't that the same logic that said gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt? 


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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 05:56:36 PM »
Seems daft, experimenting on children with no actual knowledge of how they will be affected psychologically.
Unless you run the "experiment" how is anyone supposed to know how kids might be affected or indeed if there will be any effect at all?
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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 06:02:50 PM »
Er, no.
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 06:52:50 PM »
Isn't that the same logic that said gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt?
No idea - is it? Surely we have had children raised by gay couples throughout history without ill effects noted? And it must be better than to put them in the care of demented or rabid nuns, say?
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 06:57:26 PM »
No idea - is it? Surely we have had children raised by gay couples throughout history without ill effects noted? And it must be better than to put them in the care of demented or rabid nuns, say?
Rabid nuns? Is this some David Cronenbrrg film I missed?

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2017, 07:02:39 PM »
Unless you run the "experiment" how is anyone supposed to know how kids might be affected or indeed if there will be any effect at all?
True, but not convinced that at the end of the experiment that they will have any idea what effect, if any, they have had.
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2017, 07:12:31 PM »
Rabid nuns? Is this some David Cronenbrrg film I missed?
A film still be made. It starts off with the discovery of a cache of bodies of unknown children found buried beneath an old ruin ..

Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 07:14:49 PM »
A film still be made. It starts off with the discovery of a cache of bodies of unknown children found buried beneath an old ruin ..
And to somehow not derail here, they are all hermaphroditic????

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2017, 07:17:45 PM »
No spoilers!
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2017, 07:18:41 PM »

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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2017, 12:52:50 AM »
Aren't the vast majority of us male or female?  and I mean 'vast',  Yes there are those who are intersex and it i right they are accommodated, especially in education but we...are generally boys or girls.  Nothing to do with dolls or trains.
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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2017, 06:37:51 AM »
Aren't the vast majority of us male or female?  and I mean 'vast',  Yes there are those who are intersex and it i right they are accommodated, especially in education but we...are generally boys or girls.  Nothing to do with dolls or trains.
It's not about intersex, it's about gender roles

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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2017, 08:43:17 AM »
Aren't the vast majority of us male or female?  and I mean 'vast',  Yes there are those who are intersex and it i right they are accommodated, especially in education but we...are generally boys or girls.  Nothing to do with dolls or trains.

"Sex" is the biological condition of being either male or female.

"Gender" is the set of cultural values and roles that are considered appropriate for members of either sex. Gender is assessed on a continuum between masculine and feminine. However, it seems that for some people the word "sex" appears to be rather confrontational and so they use "gender" as a euphemism.
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Re: No Boy, Girl
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2017, 08:44:28 AM »
YER WOT ?!!?!?!? ;) ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2017, 08:45:14 AM »
"Sex" is the biological condition of being either male or female.

"Gender" is the set of cultural values and roles that are considered appropriate for members of either sex. Gender is assessed on a continuum between masculine and feminine. However, it seems that for some people the word "sex" appears to be rather confrontational and so they use "gender" as a euphemism.

One wonders if some people have a gender agenda.

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2017, 08:49:24 AM »
YER WOT ?!!?!?!? ;) ;)
If that was in reply to Harrowby Hall's post, which was as usual admirably clear, I have no idea what caused your wot!

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2017, 09:13:43 AM »
I get it.  I think most schools do that nowadays though, kids play how they want and teachers call them by their first names.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2017, 09:16:26 AM »
If that was in reply to Harrowby Hall's post, which was as usual admirably clear, I have no idea what caused your wot!

I am still trying to work that one out.