Sexual Abuse and Prominent People

[Nearly Sane]

She was there too.

EH?

[floo]

She was there too.

That sounds interesting.

[Sebastian Toe]

I have a 'story' about a current radio 2 presenter , do you think I should tell it?

Go to the Sun and sell it instead?

[Maeght]

The following year, December 1977, I kissed Ruth Levi, and then Denise O'Callahan. Then Debbie West.

Am I supposed to beat myself up?

That's not sexual harassment. The stories coming out in the press are.

[Robbie]

That sounds interesting.

It is  . I think it's a joke that we don't get floo or involving a fictional Robinson, like "Mrs Robinson" or something.

[Robbie]

22 isn’t ‘very young’; that aside I don’t see what forgiveness has to do with whether someone is fit to be an MP or not.

I do think 22 is very young, lots of people that age are still at uni. However you have a point & it wasn't just about remarks made many years ago.  I was reading the following Guardian article, amongst other things:-

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/if-only-it-were-so-easy-to-forgive-jared-omara-his-sins

[Rhiannon]

I do think 22 is very young, lots of people that age are still at uni. However you have a point & it wasn't just about remarks made many years ago.  I was reading the following Guardian article, amongst other things:-

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/if-only-it-were-so-easy-to-forgive-jared-omara-his-sins

My kids are old enough to know this is unacceptable and they haven’t left school yet. ‘Youthful indiscretion’ is one thing, and as someone who got married at twenty one I thoroughly concur with the idea that the young do idiotic things; not having learned what common decency is by that age is something else though.

[floo]

It is  . I think it's a joke that we don't get floo or involving a fictional Robinson, like "Mrs Robinson" or something.

I did wonder if HWB was implying that you and he were an item.

[floo]

I was married at 19 and a mother at 20, my husband was 22 when we wed, and a father on his 23rd birthday. Our first home was a few hundred miles away from our family, so we had to be responsible, or our child would have suffered.

[Rhiannon]

And then we have this. Ffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41812281

[Shaker]

I think an entirely serious and perfectly legitimate concern is now starting to turn into silly season.

[Walter]

I think an entirely serious and perfectly legitimate concern is now starting to turn into silly season.

I've heard google have developed a cloaking device for women so they can go about their business undetected.

Another report elsewhere has stated that women are now finding it difficult to find a suitable husband/partner .

[Rhiannon]

I think an entirely serious and perfectly legitimate concern is now starting to turn into silly season.

It’s worse than that. It’s a way of deriding the serious stuff by lumping in the clumsy and irritating with the damaging, the frightening and repulsive. It very calculatedly puts women in their place - as silly fuss makers.

[wigginhall]

Yes, I suspect some of the stories, they could be deliberately planted to evoke pickle kreckness comments.   Wait for 'you can't say hello to a woman' comments coming soon.

[Rhiannon]

You want to scare yourself, read the comments on Yahoo News.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

And then we have this. Ffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41812281

Since there was no suggestion that Julia was offended, it would seem that on this occasion Michael was guilty of no more than being a bit too touchy feely.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I don't know enough about how well he has done as an MP to judge whether this is truly fair or not, but the fact is that unfortunate youthful social media postings cost people job opportunities later, and not just MPs. Would this be ok if he were a teacher?

What young Jared did is not yet an offence.

But.....

Could this be the start of Nick Clegg's comeback?

[Walter]

Yes, I suspect some of the stories, they could be deliberately planted to evoke pickle kreckness comments.   Wait for 'you can't say hello to a woman' comments coming soon.

''you cant say hello to a woman'' these days !

[Shaker]

Thought about tacking this onto the end of the Harvey Weinstein thread, but decided against it as the focus is somewhat different.

I just heard on t'wireless that the Emmy people (board? council? committee? whatever) have decided to cancel a proposed award ceremony for Kevin Spacey in the light of the very recent allegations that he attempted to sexually abuse a 14 year-old male back in 1986. We've probably all cottoned on to the story by now so I won't delve into the specifics.

Was it right, is it right, for them to have done so given that the story is sufficiently new that his actions are, to date, only alleged rather than demonstrated fact?

[Walter]

Thought about tacking this onto the end of the Harvey Weinstein thread, but decided against it as the focus is somewhat different.

I just heard on t'wireless that the Emmy people (board? council? committee? whatever) have decided to cancel a proposed award ceremony for Kevin Spacey in the light of the very recent allegations that he attempted to sexually abuse a 14 year-old male back in 1986. We've probably all cottoned on to the story by now so I won't delve into the specifics.

Was it right, is it right, for them to have done so given that the story is sufficiently new that his actions are, to date, only alleged rather than demonstrated fact?

jesus, all  this alleged stuff is getting out of hand now, but if a bloke who does make believe for a living is being denied an award by the make believe judges , then that's up to them.

If he is found guilty in law , then that is a different matter and should face what ever punishment is due

[Nearly Sane]

Thought about tacking this onto the end of the Harvey Weinstein thread, but decided against it as the focus is somewhat different.

In what way is the focus different?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Thought about tacking this onto the end of the Harvey Weinstein thread, but decided against it as the focus is somewhat different.

I just heard on t'wireless that the Emmy people (board? council? committee? whatever) have decided to cancel a proposed award ceremony for Kevin Spacey in the light of the very recent allegations that he attempted to sexually abuse a 14 year-old male back in 1986. We've probably all cottoned on to the story by now so I won't delve into the specifics.

Was it right, is it right, for them to have done so given that the story is sufficiently new that his actions are, to date, only alleged rather than demonstrated fact?

OK Kevin should have kept quiet.

But nothing has been proved. No charges have been laid to any local judge. Mick Jagger was the subject some years ago of an allegation that he was the father of some girl's baby, his response was "I don't know if that child is mine, or not. I honestly don't know". And guess what? Nobody cared.

I seem to remember more recently that Celine Dion's late husband was accused of groping, he paid off the complainant rather than get involved in litigation. It did not mean that he was guilty.

[Nearly Sane]

OK Kevin should have kept quiet.

But nothing has been proved. No charges have been laid to any local judge. Mick Jagger was the subject some years ago of an allegation that he was the father of some girl's baby, his response was "I don't know if that child is mine, or not. I honestly don't know". And guess what? Nobody cared.

I seem to remember more recently that Celine Dion's late husband was accused of groping, he paid off the complainant rather than get involved in litigation. It did not mean that he was guilty.

Was the 'some' girl 14?

[Rhiannon]

Since there was no suggestion that Julia was offended, it would seem that on this occasion Michael was guilty of no more than being a bit too touchy feely.

And if she was offended?...

Actually my point around this story is that it’s smoke and mirrors to deflect from the nasty stuff. Reducing sexual assault, rape and grotesque harassment down to a bit of slap and tickle from Currant Bun readers.

[Nearly Sane]

And if she was offended?...

Actually my point around this story is that it’s smoke and mirrors to deflect from the nasty stuff. Reducing sexual assault, rape and grotesque harassment down to a bit of slap and tickle from Currant Bun readers.

Rather like HWB attempted earlier in the thread.