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Nearly Sane

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Re: Sexual Abuse and Prominent People
« Reply #525 on: January 22, 2018, 05:50:59 PM »
No idea what you mean, HH replied to my post and not to Rhiannons, now maybe HH was being misogynistic but I would not have jumped to that conclusion quite as quick.

People can be misogynistic or racist without thinking 'I am about to be misogynistic or racist now'. Indeed I suspect the vast majority of people who are do not have a motive of misogyny or racism. So Rhiannon wasn't talking about HH's motive necessarily but the effect of his action.

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« Reply #526 on: January 22, 2018, 05:53:32 PM »
A small word in favour of Jordan Peterson - he has tried to get people who notionally agree with him to stop any threats to Cathy Newman. I disagree with most of what he says but he does seem to be someone who in context a dialogue can be had with.

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« Reply #527 on: January 22, 2018, 05:58:30 PM »
A small word in favour of Jordan Peterson - he has tried to get people who notionally agree with him to stop any threats to Cathy Newman. I disagree with most of what he says but he does seem to be someone who in context a dialogue can be had with.

Yes, and he spoke up immediately the threats were made known.

That the threats were made at all is interesting in the context of the discussion we are having about how things have 'improved'.

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« Reply #528 on: January 22, 2018, 06:04:58 PM »
Suzanne Moore teaches her daughters the same way that I do mine.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/nigella-lawson-why-women-mollify-men-fear

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« Reply #529 on: January 22, 2018, 06:06:19 PM »
Yes, and he spoke up immediately the threats were made known.

That the threats were made at all is interesting in the context of the discussion we are having about how things have 'improved'.

I would certainly prefer his approach to John McDonnell's

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« Reply #530 on: January 22, 2018, 09:50:30 PM »
People can be misogynistic or racist without thinking 'I am about to be misogynistic or racist now'. Indeed I suspect the vast majority of people who are do not have a motive of misogyny or racism. So Rhiannon wasn't talking about HH's motive necessarily but the effect of his action.

Maybe leave Rhiannon defend herself.

Otherwise:-
So telling. Talking over the little woman.
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« Reply #531 on: January 22, 2018, 09:54:45 PM »
Maybe leave Rhiannon defend herself.

Otherwise:-
So telling. Talking over the little woman.

He’s not making a point to me by talking to a man.

It’s intetesting that you feel I need to ‘defend’ myself. Who from?




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« Reply #532 on: January 22, 2018, 09:59:07 PM »
Maybe leave Rhiannon defend herself.

Otherwise:-
So telling. Talking over the little woman.
So you now are arguing that Rhiannon's take on HH was right? You seen confused

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« Reply #533 on: January 22, 2018, 10:00:33 PM »
Surely everyone can only read what they think you post i.e. what they think you mean? I didn't find your post particularly clear but in context of a discussion on pay if someone says there have been areas where things haven't improved and you appear to doubt that by challenging them, it's a legitimate reading to think you are saying that the specific are you reference is one where your doubt applies.

I posted what I thought was an interesting discussion which covered the gender pay gap. I have a daughter, a wife, a sister, a mother all have faced or will potentially face discrimination simply because they are women.

It is better than it was but we still have a long way to go, I do suspect that false claims of discrimination do much to undermine any progress. I do not think HH was discriminating and posted in context.

I replied to this post because it offered a segue into what I wanted to say.
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« Reply #534 on: January 22, 2018, 10:02:22 PM »
He’s not making a point to me by talking to a man.

It’s intetesting that you feel I need to ‘defend’ myself. Who from?

Oh good grief we are having a discussion, you make a point, I counter, you defend, its normal human conversation.
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« Reply #535 on: January 22, 2018, 10:04:57 PM »
So you now are arguing that Rhiannon's take on HH was right? You seen confused

No you think it was a fair take, if so then you are behaving in the same way.
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« Reply #536 on: January 22, 2018, 10:06:48 PM »
He’s not making a point to me by talking to a man.

It’s intetesting that you feel I need to ‘defend’ myself. Who from?


Oh tish now, this is the men talking, and if you don't understand that, that's OK,you know how to wash things.I fancy a cup of tea, could you run along now and get me one, love?
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« Reply #537 on: January 22, 2018, 10:09:36 PM »
No you think it was a fair take, if so then you are behaving in the same way.
As what? You appear to think that what people say is only interpretable by you? Or is that wrong?

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« Reply #538 on: January 23, 2018, 12:09:01 AM »


Oh tish now, this is the men talking, and if you don't understand that, that's OK,you know how to wash things.I fancy a cup of tea, could you run along now and get me one, love?

Your true colours for all to see.
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« Reply #539 on: January 23, 2018, 12:10:36 AM »
As what? You appear to think that what people say is only interpretable by you? Or is that wrong?

Wrong.
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« Reply #540 on: January 23, 2018, 02:35:05 AM »
Wrong.
So therefore your approach was wrong then, since I was reflecting it back at you.

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« Reply #541 on: January 23, 2018, 02:39:36 AM »
Your true colours for all to see.
What true colours? Do you need to look up the definition of sarcasm?
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« Reply #542 on: January 23, 2018, 08:21:49 AM »
Oh good grief we are having a discussion, you make a point, I counter, you defend, its normal human conversation.

Which is attacking and defending points, ideas and opinions, not people. Hence NS wasn’t defending me, but joining in this thing called ‘conversation’.

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« Reply #543 on: January 23, 2018, 08:40:43 AM »
So therefore your approach was wrong then, since I was reflecting it back at you.

As I was doing to you.
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« Reply #544 on: January 23, 2018, 08:59:25 AM »
Which is attacking and defending points, ideas and opinions, not people. Hence NS wasn’t defending me, but joining in this thing called ‘conversation’.

Semantics, you raise a point and NS elects to defend that point, it could be read that he thinks you are not capable of doing it yourself.

To be fair I don't think he is doing that for any other motive other than a chance to wow us with one of his fallacy zingers.
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« Reply #545 on: January 23, 2018, 10:03:14 AM »
Semantics, you raise a point and NS elects to defend that point, it could be read that he thinks you are not capable of doing it yourself.

To be fair I don't think he is doing that for any other motive other than a chance to wow us with one of his fallacy zingers.

It’s not semantics. As a parent you know the difference between saying ‘that wasvidiitic’ and ‘you are an idiot’. Ideas, thoughts and points are not people.

NS has no interest in defending me. I’ve told him to fuck off before. More than once I think.

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« Reply #546 on: January 23, 2018, 10:06:40 AM »
It’s not semantics. As a parent you know the difference between saying ‘that wasvidiitic’ and ‘you are an idiot’. Ideas, thoughts and points are not people.

NS has no interest in defending me. I’ve told him to fuck off before. More than once I think.

Whatever lets get back to gender equality. Stephen Law on J Peterson:-

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/who-is-jordan-peterson-my-first.html
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« Reply #547 on: January 23, 2018, 10:12:29 AM »
Whatever lets get back to gender equality. Stephen Law on J Peterson:-

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/who-is-jordan-peterson-my-first.html

The discussion isn’t so much about equality as harassment and abuse. The gender pay gap may be indicative of a general dismissive attitude to women but I’m more concerned about the rape threats that a female journalist gets for discussing it.

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« Reply #548 on: January 24, 2018, 01:36:56 PM »

I should be shocked but I fear not


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« Reply #549 on: January 24, 2018, 01:39:15 PM »