Sexual Abuse and Prominent People

[Udayana]

He has a job and if he is viewing porn at the rate stated he’s not doing it properly.

I made my concern about the police officer’s actions earlier. If this is permissible then it has implications for anyone arrested for anything.

Indeed it does. But surely the main issue is political, depending on the outcome of the, no doubt inconclusive, inquiry and subsequent action by the PM?

[Robbie]

I made my concern about the police officer’s actions earlier. If this is permissible then it has implications for anyone arrested for anything.

I saw on the news a little while ago that the detective found the porn nine years ago. If he'd thought it was that terrible, why wait until now to say anything? I understand people who were abused many years ago finding it difficult to come forward but the detective wasn't abused.

[Udayana]

I saw on the news a little while ago that the detective found the porn nine years ago. If he'd thought it was that terrible, why wait until now to say anything? I understand people who were abused many years ago finding it difficult to come forward but the detective wasn't abused.

Obviously there is bad feeling left between some officers who were involved in investigating the 2008 leaks and Green. Maybe they feel justified in bringing this up now as Green is being investigated over the Kate Maltby accusation? Possibly it is relevant, but they are also violating confidentiality. At the time it would certainly not have been justifiable.
 

[Robbie]

I'm not going to think about it any more for the time being.

[jeremyp]

And the porn is legal. Viewing porn isn't illegal. As far as I can tell if it was him viewing then it is a misuse of him employers time and resources, not a criminal activity.

But misuse of your employers' time and resources is quite serious in the context of your employment. I'm quite certain that if I had pornography on my company PC, my feet wouldn't touch the ground as I was being ejected from the building.

However, I think the bigger issue is that it looks like he lied about the episode.

I'm concerned that a detective is allowed to give details of activities identified during investigations to the press.

From the interviews I heard on the radio yesterday, he isn't allowed. I think he might now be in some trouble.

[jeremyp]

I think porn is ghastly even if it isn't illegal when children aren't involved.

So it is not ghastly if children are involved?

[jeremyp]

I saw on the news a little while ago that the detective found the porn nine years ago. If he'd thought it was that terrible, why wait until now to say anything? I understand people who were abused many years ago finding it difficult to come forward but the detective wasn't abused.

Nine years ago the police officer in question would have faced disciplinary and possibly legal proceedings for revealing information discovered in an enquiry, if that information was not related to the topic of the enquiry.

The issue now is not that he viewed porn but that he lied about viewing porn. He's the deputy prime minister and allegedly provably dishonest. The man's integrity is in question but he could end up running the country for a bit.

[floo]

So it is not ghastly if children are involved?

Sorry I didn't read my post properly, I have amended it! Of course I think child porn is evil and people should be sent down for possessing it

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42299192

Max Clifford, who was sent down in 2014 for 8 years for sexual abuse, has had a heart attack.

[Shaker]

Though doubtless lamented by many other than family and close friends, it turns out that he has died: https://tinyurl.com/ybb4hwo4

[jeremyp]

Though doubtless lamented by many other than family and close friends, it turns out that he has died: https://tinyurl.com/ybb4hwo4

Doubtless you left out a "not" there.

[Shaker]

So I did.

[floo]

That nasty piece of work, Roy Moore, the chap from Alabama who failed to get a place in the US Senate, is an extreme evangelical of the hell-fire brigade. If the sexual abuse charges against him are true, how does he think his god is going to react? I suppose he is one of those idiots who believe in the, 'once saved, always saved', garbage, an insurance policy, which they think will get them into heaven whatever they do. 

[Nearly Sane]

Only Catherine Deneuve is worth mentioning from all the signatories?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42630108

[floo]

Only Catherine Deneuve is worth mentioning from all the signatories?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42630108

That woman is sick!

[Nearly Sane]

That woman is sick!

Is she! And what about all the other women signatories? What 'sickness' does she have?

[floo]

Is she! And what about all the other women signatories? What 'sickness' does she have?

The rest must be pretty sick too if they think it is a man's right to touch up a woman!

[Nearly Sane]

The rest must be pretty sick too if they think it is a man's right to touch up a woman!

That isn't what the letter says.

[Robbie]

Quick one b4 I go to work (start at 10 today). I agree with floo. No-one has the right to touch up anyone without consent. However I think there is probably more to what Catherine Deneuve said than what is reported - she may not have meant that men are free to actually hit on women, but remembered the days when people freely hugged and put arms around each other and casual, sexist jokes, were the norm.  I, frankly, dunno (!) and await further comment from her - but don't believe everything I read on media where comments are so often taken out of context.

[floo]

That isn't what the letter says.

In effect it does.

[Nearly Sane]

In effect it does.

Where?

[floo]

Where?

French actress Catherine Deneuve has said that men should be "free to hit on" women.

[Nearly Sane]

French actress Catherine Deneuve has said that men should be "free to hit on" women.

Which isn't

'it is a man's right to touch up a woman'

[Aruntraveller]

I had always thought that to hit on someone was to try and chat them up (although it sound like an Americanism to me anyway) - so it may be that there is confusion over what is actually meant here.

After all if no-one is free to chat someone up, some of us are going to end up unhappy and lonely.

[Nearly Sane]

It's also problematic as the letter is in French.


ETA The original apart from the first couple of paragraphs is behind a pay wall and so we have to do with the translation in the reports.