Sexual Abuse and Prominent People

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Nice. Is this what you tell your daughter to expect - harassment and assault because men just can’t help themselves?

I would advise my daughter

 Don't apply for a job as a "hostess" at a hotel.

[Rhiannon]

So what do you people think the options are now...

1. These clubs/organisations will (should) stop advertising for such hostesses. 

2. Women will (should) stop responding to such advts.

3. Even if the above two continue, men will (should) stop behaving the way they did.


Just as an aside...one of the states in India has made 'buying sex' a crime instead of the usual 'selling sex'. Do you think that makes sense?

Sriram, a ‘hostess’ job usually just involves getting drinks, making sure people know where to sit etc. Usual requirements for women are a skirt and blouse, tights, and tidy hair. Generally clean and smart. This story is unusual.

Re paying for sex, don’t know much about the sex industry but I saw something where prostitutes said they fear it will drive the ‘good’ clients away and leave them vulnerable to the criminal type who will rape and assault them. I don’t think there’s an easy answer to protecting sex workers.

[floo]

I would advise my daughter

 Don't apply for a job as a "hostess" at a hotel.

You should advise your daughter to report any harassment, immediately.

[Rhiannon]

I would advise my daughter

 Don't apply for a job as a "hostess" at a hotel.

Right. So those girls were asking for it.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Right. So those girls were asking for it.

Once again, the complaints came from an undercover FT reporter. How do you know that these allegations are true?

You don't. It's not as if 150 hostesses at that function all complained, it was one undercover reporter.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Right. So those girls were asking for it.

Equally good advice would be "Only answer an advert for "dancers" if the same is in a trade publication, don't answer such an advert in the London Evening Standard".

[Rhiannon]

Once again, the complaints came from an undercover FT reporter. How do you know that these allegations are true?

You don't. It's not as if 150 hostesses at that function all complained, it was one undercover reporter.

Seriously?

[Rhiannon]

Equally good advice would be "Only answer an advert for "dancers" if the same is in a trade publication, don't answer such an advert in the London Evening Standard".

So do you think they were asking for it?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

So do you think they were asking for it?

Do you think they did not know what to expect?

[Rhiannon]

Do you think they did not know what to expect?

That’s a yes then.

[floo]

Do you think they did not know what to expect?

So you are saying it is ok to sexually harass/abuse a woman in that situation?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

So you are saying it is ok to sexually harass/abuse a woman in that situation?

A room full of drunk men, whether it be an upmarket hotel, or a downmarket pub, is not going to be full of politically correct conversation. If you want to blame anybody, blame the agency. Or can women not be blamed?

What I find interesting is that in any such environment, bouncers are on hand to sort out any inappropriate behaviour, including such events as the Sunday Sport Roadshow, and anybody who crosses the line is thrown out. Yet there has been no reports of any such action in this case.

[floo]

A room full of drunk men, whether it be an upmarket hotel, or a downmarket pub, is not going to be full of politically correct conversation. If you want to blame anybody, blame the agency. Or can women not be blamed?

What I find interesting is that in any such environment, bouncers are on hand to sort out any inappropriate behaviour, including such events as the Sunday Sport Roadshow, and anybody who crosses the line is thrown out. Yet there has been no reports of any such action in this case.

So if you are drunk you are not at fault if you sexually harass/abuse a woman! GET REAL!

[Rhiannon]

A room full of drunk men, whether it be an upmarket hotel, or a downmarket pub, is not going to be full of politically correct conversation. If you want to blame anybody, blame the agency. Or can women not be blamed?

What I find interesting is that in any such environment, bouncers are on hand to sort out any inappropriate behaviour, including such events as the Sunday Sport Roadshow, and anybody who crosses the line is thrown out. Yet there has been no reports of any such action in this case.

OMG Humph, blame anyone except the men who grope, fondle, harass and assault. It’s despicable. How much do you hate women?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

OMG Humph, blame anyone except the men who grope, fondle, harass and assault. It’s despicable.

I am not saying that. I am saying that in very much less salubrious establishments, men who grope, fondle, harass & assault the dancers/hostesses are thrown out, from what I can gather the dancers will usually thump the groper before the bouncer will. Yet apparently nobody was thrown out here, and there have been no allegations that anybody was asked to leave, or to behave himself.

Unless one believes that the entire thing was intended as a kind of rich men's harem, and if that was the case how comes nobody apart from an undercover FT journalist has complained?

[Nearly Sane]

I am not saying that. I am saying that in very much less salubrious establishments, men who grope, fondle, harass & assault the dancers/hostesses are thrown out, from what I can gather the dancers will usually thump the groper before the bouncer will. Yet apparently nobody was thrown out here, and there have been no allegations that anybody was asked to leave, or to behave himself.

Unless one believes that the entire thing was intended as a kind of rich men's harem, and if that was the case how comes nobody apart from an undercover FT journalist has complained?

And obviously Jimmy Savile was innocent by this logic? Plus a tawdry use of thr tu quoque fallacy, that this might happen elsewhere is irrelevant to it being acceptable.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

And obviously Jimmy Savile was innocent by this logic? Plus a tawdry use of thr tu quoque fallacy, that this might happen elsewhere is irrelevant to it being acceptable.

As regard Jimmy Savile, complaints were made to the police.

[Nearly Sane]

A room full of drunk men, whether it be an upmarket hotel, or a downmarket pub, is not going to be full of politically correct conversation. If you want to blame anybody, blame the agency. Or can women not be blamed?

What I find interesting is that in any such environment, bouncers are on hand to sort out any inappropriate behaviour, including such events as the Sunday Sport Roadshow, and anybody who crosses the line is thrown out. Yet there has been no reports of any such action in this case.

You really want the blame sexually assaulted women line to be the one you take?

[Nearly Sane]

As regard Jimmy Savile, complaints were made to the police.

So nothing happened because no one has gone to the police? How quaint.

[Nearly Sane]

One of the things I struggle with here, is how much of a dick do you have to be to go along  to a male only night with 'hostesses' and not think this is fucking weird and distasteful? What sort of wankstain doesn't go 'Mmm yes that would be strange and be advertising that I am a fucking perv'?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

One of the things I struggle with here, is how much of a dick do you have to be to go along  to an male only night with 'hostesses' and not think this is fucking weird and distasteful? What sort of wankstain doesn't go 'Mmm yes that would be strange and be advertising that I am a fucking perv'?

As I wrote several messages ago, I would not want to go along to such an evening since it smacks of sleaze. I would prefer somebody female to chat to me because she genuinely liked me a bit, rather than a hooker trying to "hit" on me, and YES that has happened at workplace Xmas bashes held in the West End, though second tier compared to  The Dorchester).

I don't see anything inherently "pervy" in an all male evening out (one can think of the historic "Jolly Boys" outings of yesteryear, or of ex squaddies nights out getting drunk & singing regimental songs). But that ain't my cup of beer either.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

So nothing happened because no one has gone to the police? How quaint.

So you have proof that something has happened because of an allegation?

[Nearly Sane]

So you have proof that something has happened because of an allegation?

That the allegation has been made is already evidence, not 'proof'. Are you saying the only assaults that  'actually' happen have gone through the courts?

[Rhiannon]

So you have proof that something has happened because of an allegation?

Several allegations. Google it - lots of women speaking up.

[Nearly Sane]

As I wrote several messages ago, I would not want to go along to such an evening since it smacks of sleaze. I would prefer somebody female to chat to me because she genuinely liked me a bit, rather than a hooker trying to "hit" on me, and YES that has happened at workplace Xmas bashes held in the West End, though second tier compared to  The Dorchester).

I don't see anything inherently "pervy" in an all male evening out (one can think of the historic "Jolly Boys" outings of yesteryear, or of ex squaddies nights out getting drunk & singing regimental songs). But that ain't my cup of beer either.

Didn't say there was something inherently pervy about evenings with blokes. But a male only dinner where you pay for a table and has hostesses is screaming 'perv who thinks women are chattels' in big multicoloured letters.