Sexual Abuse and Prominent People

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Do you have even the faintest idea how utterly ridiculous this is?

Let’s think for a moment why women are told what colour underwear to wear. Oh yeah, because their uniform is so short that it will be on show. Is that normal in your line of work?

How much per hour do you think is reasonable for women who are being sexually assaulted?

Do you think that female dancers are expected to show their own underwear?

Of course not, what looks like their knickers is actually part of the costume. Ask Ruth Madoc.

[Nearly Sane]

Do you think that female dancers are expected to show their own underwear?

Of course not, what looks like their knickers is actually part of the costume. Ask Ruth Madoc.

Apart from showing you didn't watch the link, read what happened which made clear that the underwear was the women's you think knickers are a costume that wankers at a dinner decide? Fuck the fucking hell.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Apart from showing you didn't watch the link, read what happened which made clear that the underwear was the women's you think knickers are a costume that wankers at a dinner decide? Fuck the fucking hell.

I think that you need to calm down a bit.

Me old cock

[Humph Warden Bennett]

That is what a self professed Cockney told me in the Public Bar of The Railway, Bromley, Kent in 1977.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I recall that, in 1979, outside The Railway pub, near Bromley North, I got between a male and a female, who were screaming at each other, I thought that she was at the risk of being assaulted.

She screamed at me "Fuck off out of here".

Your thoughts?

[Nearly Sane]

I think that you need to calm down a bit.

Me old cock

Calm? I am so fucking calm the the calmometer in Geneva uses me to set the International Calmoneter.

[Nearly Sane]

I recall that, in 1979, outside The Railway pub, near Bromley North, I got between a male and a female, who were screaming at each other, I thought that she was at the risk of being assaulted.

She screamed at me "Fuck off out of here".

Your thoughts?

That you have a problem talking about women

[Humph Warden Bennett]

That you have a problem talking about women

I would have been prepared to protect her from assault.

But she told me to "Fuck Off" instead.

So females are not the helpless types that you, Rhia and Wiggy claim they are.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I would have been prepared to protect her from assault.

But she told me to "Fuck Off" instead.

So females are not the helpless types that you, Rhia and Wiggy claim they are.

And, FTR I am sure that Robbie knows the location of The Railway, near Bromley North

[Nearly Sane]

I would have been prepared to protect her from assault.

But she told me to "Fuck Off" instead.

So females are not the helpless types that you, Rhia and Wiggy claim they are.

Why are you lying?  I, and I have seen no post from Rhiannon (BTW why shorten and indeed change hr board name to Rhea?), or wigginhall saying women are 'helpless types'?

[Nearly Sane]

And, FTR I am sure that Robbie knows the location of The Railway, near Bromley North

And that would be relevant in what way?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Why are you lying?  I, and I have seen no post from Rhiannon (BTW why shorten and indeed change hr board name to Rhea?), or wigginhall saying women are 'helpless types'?

You know what I mean.

[Nearly Sane]

You know what I mean.

Nope, not a clue. Stop lying!

[Humph Warden Bennett]

And that would be relevant in what way?

Robbie will know 

[Gordon]

Struggling to see what relevance an argument between a man and women outside a pub in the outskirts of London has in relation to the wider issue of sexual abuse: I'd imagine a couple arguing outside a pub happens in places other than Bromley North (or indeed West, East or South).

Does Robbie have some unique information on this pub that makes it special in some way?

[Nearly Sane]

Robbie will know 

what can she know that makes your post relevant?

[Rhiannon]

So females are not the helpless types that you, Rhia and Wiggy claim they are.

Don't you fucking dare suggest that I said that. You liar.

[Aruntraveller]

Newsthump on the issue - as is quite often the case, funny and on the money:

http://newsthump.com/2018/01/25/presidents-club-disbanded-after-behaviour-of-members-crosses-line-into-presidential/

[Rhiannon]

Interesting article here on clothing, blame and self control.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2018/jan/25/how-provocative-clothes-affect-the-brain-and-why-its-no-excuse-for-assault

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Do you have even the faintest idea how utterly ridiculous this is?

Let’s think for a moment why women are told what colour underwear to wear. Oh yeah, because their uniform is so short that it will be on show. Is that normal in your line of work?

Not necessarily. I remember being part of a discussion with female work friends about it being better to wear a black bra under a white shirt as a white bra can be seen more clearly under a white shirt than a black bra can. Same with a particular black evening dress - it doesn’t look see through but under lights any colour underwear other than black shows up through the dress, which doesn’t look elegant or professional. I wasn’t required to wear that particular black dress but the discussion was because we wanted to look out for each other and look competent/ not feel embarrassed about our underwear being visible through black dresses.

I don’t see a problem with hostesses being required to wear a black dress but I personally wouldn’t want to do a job that had looking attractive as a more important criteria than competence or intelligence. And looking attractive is not a green light for someone to touch you without your consent - unless it is just normal touching on the arm that women also do to men.

[Robbie]

And, FTR I am sure that Robbie knows the location of The Railway, near Bromley North

I fail to see the relevance Humph. Yes there was a pub next to Bromley North Station called the Railway Signal. I guess we are both from Bromley and were teenagers in the 1970s but we don't know eachother as far as I know. You mentioned something once before like that, last year, and at the time I thought you were making some kind of joke that I didn't get.  So please stop mentioning my name, will you. I don't go around saying, "I bet Humph would know that one". You are coming over as seriously weird atm but being as you were a kindly moderator here not long ago I can't believe you really are.

None of it has owt to do with the topic in hand.

This thread needs some proper reading before I comment any more, it has become somewhat tangled with cryptic remarks and misunderstandings, so I'll come back to it later or maybe not.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Interesting article here on clothing, blame and self control.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2018/jan/25/how-provocative-clothes-affect-the-brain-and-why-its-no-excuse-for-assault

Yes good article. I agree that men, if they choose to, can control themselves around attractive women, even where the woman wants to be a willing participant in a sexual encounter. The ones who choose not to control themselves, assuming there is no mental health issue, either have a serious sense of entitlement that needs to be neutralised or they are not concerned about potential consequences.

I agree with the part about alcohol as well. Getting drunk is a bad idea for men and women if you are no longer in control of yourself and alcohol overcomes your brain’s inhibitory control. No point choosing to get drunk and then later on regretting your responses while drunk. I’ve certainly had that experience even though I did not set out to get drunk but the alcohol affected me more than I expected (probably hadn’t eaten properly and i’m Petite) and once I was tipsy i wasn’t thinking clearly and decided to have another drink.

Eventually it just seemed a good idea to stop drinking alcohol altogether. I enjoyed driving more than drinking anyway.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes good article. I agree that men, if they choose to, can control themselves around attractive women, even where the woman wants to be a willing participant in a sexual encounter. The ones who choose not to control themselves, assuming there is no mental health issue, either have a serious sense of entitlement that needs to be neutralised or they are not concerned about potential consequences.

I agree with the part about alcohol as well. Getting drunk is a bad idea for men and women if you are no longer in control of yourself and alcohol overcomes your brain’s inhibitory control. No point choosing to get drunk and then later on regretting your responses while drunk. I’ve certainly had that experience even though I did not set out to get drunk but the alcohol affected me more than I expected (probably hadn’t eaten properly and i’m Petite) and once I was tipsy i wasn’t thinking clearly and decided to have another drink.

Eventually it just seemed a good idea to stop drinking alcohol altogether. I enjoyed driving more than drinking anyway.

I think people rarely chose to get drunk and few people who do understand the effect on their own behaviour. But I think most people understand that it has an effect that they do not control. Further while part of me wants to put all of this down to drink, I am not sure it makes sense to deal with it as 'drink makes you an eejit'. 

[Rhiannon]

I think people rarely chose to get drunk and few people who do understand the effect on their own behaviour. But I think most people understand that it has an effect that they do not control. Further while part of me wants to put all of this down to drink, I am not sure it makes sense to deal with it as 'drink makes you an eejit'.

No, too much planning. Although there was an element of trying to get the hostesses to drink which is unpleasant.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I think people rarely chose to get drunk and few people who do understand the effect on their own behaviour. But I think most people understand that it has an effect that they do not control.

I think it’s learned through experience that drinking alcohol can lead to making choices we would not have made when sober - such as men and women becoming amorous towards someone who does not welcome their interest or initiating or going along with a sexual encounter due to feeling less inhibited, or getting into a pointless argument or becoming physically aggressive or being reckless and climbing out onto a window ledge high off the ground 

Once you have had any of these experiences people have to decide for themselves  whether it’s better to avoid alcohol and not risk becoming out of control if they don’t want to risk repeating the bad experience.

Further while part of me wants to put all of this down to drink, I am not sure it makes sense to deal with it as 'drink makes you an eejit'.

Drink lowers inhibitions. Lowering inhibitions isn’t guaranteed to make you do something you will regret or that has bad consequences for yourself or someone else but it’s a definite possibility. The article mentioned being accountable for actions regardless of whether the person was drunk at the time as they made the choice to drink.

Regarding the President’s Club dinner, I am not sure where this leaves some of the women who worked as hostesses who were looking to make money from sexual encounters.

Regarding attractive hostesses in black dresses - we use them at certain charity events because they raise more funds by selling raffle tickets than unattractive people selling raffle tickets. But they look a lot more classy than the pictures I saw of the President’s Club hostesses. The article made the point that sexualised images of women and young looking girls are everywhere Which may give some men the impression that some women are iok being viewed as a sexual commodity. Not sure how you discover who those women are unless you proposition a woman dressed in a sexually appealing way and get their answer.