It doesn't happen here...

[Rhiannon]

Yes it was , but you qualify it by saying, a form of harassment , which seems to lessen its effect .

Harassment comes in many forms. Making someone view porn is a form of harassment and one my daughter reported a classmate for.

I wouldn’t have thought that recognising how vulnerable it left you was diminishing it?

[Nearly Sane]

okay , I understand where you are coming from but you try to diminish the seriousness  of these acts by pointing out who has ''the balance of power''

I would suggest the women in my case were fully aware of the potential  power they  held and were attempting to entrap me with sex. Imagine the control they would have had over me if I had fallen for their little game.
Also  ,the destruction it could have caused at home if my partner had found out either by accident or from one of them . some of these women were like wild cats with sharp claws , which was a good quality to have bearing in mind the nature of the business we were in .

But who knows where it could have ended up if id gone along with it ?

There is a difference here surely about you having sex from a position of power and feeling you couldn't refuse? Entrapped has a different take to feeling forced? That doesn't mean it wasn't harassment, and as Rhiannon has pointed out, the possible 'threat' of false allegations is a different form, not necessarily lesser, form of harassment.

[Walter]

Harassment comes in many forms. Making someone view porn is a form of harassment and one my daughter reported a classmate for.

I wouldn’t have thought that recognising how vulnerable it left you was diminishing it?

I get your point , thanks.

[Walter]

There is a difference here surely about you having sex from a position of power and feeling you couldn't refuse? Entrapped has a different take to feeling forced? That doesn't mean it wasn't harassment, and as Rhiannon has pointed out, the possible 'threat' of false allegations is a different form, not necessarily lesser, form of harassment.

hmmmm your reply is very telling .

This is not the kind of harassment you want to discuss  , is it?  fair enough.

[Nearly Sane]

hmmmm your reply is very telling .

This is not the kind of harassment you want to discuss  , is it?  fair enough.

No, my post didn't say that and indeed asked you questions to expand the discussion. Questions which you haven't answered.

[Walter]

No, my post didn't say that and indeed asked you questions to expand the discussion. Questions which you haven't answered.

I thought they were rhetorical , my mistake !

[Nearly Sane]

Pete Hitchens showing his lack of knowledge of what life was like in Victorian times


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5050887/amp/What-women-gain-squawking-sex-pests-Niqab.html

[Walter]

Pete Hitchens showing his lack of knowledge of what life was like in Victorian times


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5050887/amp/What-women-gain-squawking-sex-pests-Niqab.html

don't always agree with Peter Hitchens , but he's just said what I was thinking . hu-oh!

[Walter]

There is a difference here surely about you having sex from a position of power and feeling you couldn't refuse? Entrapped has a different take to feeling forced? That doesn't mean it wasn't harassment, and as Rhiannon has pointed out, the possible 'threat' of false allegations is a different form, not necessarily lesser, form of harassment.

however the harassment was caused is irrelevant . Its the effects of the harassment that's important

[Nearly Sane]

however the harassment was caused is irrelevant . Its the effects of the harassment that's important

And I think the effects of the harassment are linked to the harassment itself. 

[Nearly Sane]

don't always agree with Peter Hitchens , but he's just said what I was thinking . hu-oh!

so if Bex Bailey was raped you think describing her coming forward as 'squawking' as the article does is good? And do you also subscribe to his  ludicrous idea of the gentility of Victorian times?

[floo]

don't always agree with Peter Hitchens , but he's just said what I was thinking . hu-oh!

What a lovely person you are.

[Walter]

What a lovely person you are.

why thank you , you're to kind.
 I shall refrain from commenting on what I think about you Floo!

[Walter]

And I think the effects of the harassment are linked to the harassment itself.

Do you.

[Walter]

so if Bex Bailey was raped you think describing her coming forward as 'squawking' as the article does is good? And do you also subscribe to his  ludicrous idea of the gentility of Victorian times?

He was making a point with which I agree .

and , by the way , as is claimed of you , I too am occasionally  accused of starting an argument in an empty room!  but not today thanks .

[Nearly Sane]

Do you.

Yes, anecdotally when I was in a similar position to you the fact that I was more senior and in no way physically intimidated had an affect on how I perceived the harassment.

[Walter]

Yes, anecdotally when I was in a similar position to you the fact that I was more senior and in no way physically intimidated had an affect on how I perceived the harassment.

that's understandable , however I felt caught in a dilemma , these women ware very manipulative  and could have cried foul whether or not I had agreed to their 'offers'.

On the other hand I admit it took all my will power not to jump into bed with them , hours of fun could've been had every week .

Looking back I'm glad I didn't , however the love of my life left me anyway some time later. And , btw , we got together because as her boss we too spent many hours in a car together   

[Walter]

Yes, anecdotally when I was in a similar position to you the fact that I was more senior and in no way physically intimidated had an affect on how I perceived the harassment.

Id love to hear about your situation but this board might not be the right place .  Fancy a pint?

[Walter]

And I think the effects of the harassment are linked to the harassment itself.

have a listen to this


https://youtu.be/OsXC1_ZoVdg

made me smile!

[wigginhall]

Pete Hitchens showing his lack of knowledge of what life was like in Victorian times


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5050887/amp/What-women-gain-squawking-sex-pests-Niqab.html

The right wing backlash has started now, and I expect to see lots of talk of witch-hunts against men, and talk of 'trivial' assaults.   Hitchens certainly has some weird ideas, for example, his 'militant destruction of marriage'.  Eh?

As you say, he seems to idealize a past in which presumably women just lay back and thought of England.   

I am curious to see if the govt take this line; probably, they can't now, as it would be difficult to say to women, stop complaining. 

[floo]

have a listen to this


https://youtu.be/OsXC1_ZoVdg

made me smile!

Nothing amusing about that!

[Walter]

The right wing backlash has started now, and I expect to see lots of talk of witch-hunts against men, and talk of 'trivial' assaults.   Hitchens certainly has some weird ideas, for example, his 'militant destruction of marriage'.  Eh?

As you say, he seems to idealize a past in which presumably women just lay back and thought of England.   

I am curious to see if the govt take this line; probably, they can't now, as it would be difficult to say to women, stop complaining.

and this , hilarious


 https://youtu.be/fgvY_Mi9OaQ

[Walter]

Nothing amusing about that!

I know why you're not amused.

[Robbie]

I have sympathy for some of what you have said here Walter. Women with status also have to cope with men coming on to them at work, even if both are in relationships. If it is frankly sexual (as opposed to someone having a bit of a crush), the only way to deal with it is to be straightforward and say that you are happy at home and, frankly, not interested, then carry on professionally. That message will find its way to other people who might have tried it on - but sometimes it takes you by surprise and you're flummoxed! Hindsight is all very well.

Peter Hitchins is an anachronism.

Rhiannon, kudos to your daughter for reporting a fellow pupil for sending porn to her on her 'phone (think it was 'phone without looking back at your post). That's the way to do it and I take my hat off to you, she's a chip off the old block.

[wigginhall]

I'm not sure about Hitchens being an anachronism.  He is right-wing, and the right wing traditionally are misogynists.  I suppose at the moment, they are lying low, because of the torrent of sexual harassment cases, but I don't think they will go away.   But I don't think the govt can take up their case now, so I don't know what the right wing will do, probably read the Mail and write angry comments about femiNazis.