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SweetPea

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2017, 03:03:14 PM »
Well, I'm with Sriram on this.

Can anyone explain this from Floo....

I have quite a number of photos taken at our former 'haunted' property, which featured images which weren't apparent when I took the pictures. there probably is a natural explanation, but I still haven't come up with one.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2017, 03:10:12 PM »
Well, I'm with Sriram on this.

Can anyone explain this from Floo....
As I haven't seen the images, no.

I do know that what some people of a credulous nature call 'orbs' on photographs, attaching all manner of paranormal pseudo-explanations to them, are simply specks of dust and dirt on the lens.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2017, 03:17:17 PM »
These are actual images of people and faces. I put one such photo on the NET years ago, but was fed up to discover a Japanese magazine had published it, without my permission

..... and this is from Floo, who is very much a skeptic on this stuff. Ponder on folk..
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ippy

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2017, 03:21:29 PM »

I don't see what all this has got to do with what I am saying.  I agree that Nature is remarkable and that is the point.

By crediting the brain with certain remarkable qualities you are only acknowledging that Nature is Intelligent.  There is a obvious Intelligence built into it which is what makes not just our brain and body but the whole of the eco system so unified and coordinated and regulated.

The brain is just a piece of flesh that begins to rot the moment life goes away.  So what is it that makes the brain and the body so full of life and intelligence? That is what spirituality addresses. It is not about religious practices or superstitious beliefs.

I came into this thread with the video of the soul that is seen leaving the body of the accident victim (I have no problem in assuming it is genuine and no reason to believe that it is fake). I consider that event as a very normal and natural part of life.  And that does not in any way conflict with your observation about the functioning of the brain.

The built in tendency of the brain to try to make sense of anything it has to contend with, such as with my hearing I have tried to convey to you, the brain by entering its own version of an an amalgam of previous experience then passes it on to me as a realistic sound, but I'm still aware of how the sound output of these aids to my hearing doesn't alter.

Equally you think that these spirits, or however you wish to term them, are partly an amalgam of your previous experiences, education, asserted religious ideas, all mixed up with, I suggest, a modicum of wishful thinking plus this well known tendency of our brains to use these things in a way that it does its best effort to makes some sense of the way things work, all without necessarily basing all of its estimations on factual information.

Some of us seem to warm to the idea of the supernatural, some are more gullible than others on almost any subject you might like to chose and there are those of us like myself that like to be, as we think, more careful about accepting things on the say so of others, offered, without a sensible way of underlining some of the  truth in their words.

It always builds the confidence I have in the ideas hear suggested by others when I hear things like I'm not sure about that but I'm working on it, or I don't know, beats ideas proffered from authority or assertion any day.   

Kind regards ippy.

P. S.  Where's the good weather gone that I asked you for the other day? We've had to turn on the heating in the house and the trees are loosing their leaves for winter in the brisk wind.

ippy

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2017, 03:24:12 PM »
..... and this is from Floo, who is very much a skeptic on this stuff. Ponder on folk..

Sweet Pea, even I don't get it right all of the time, difficult to believe I know but true.

Regards ippy

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2017, 03:39:07 PM »


P. S.  Where's the good weather gone that I asked you for the other day? We've had to turn on the heating in the house and the trees are loosing their leaves for winter in the brisk wind.


Oh...the weather is fine here ippy. Sunny and bright as ever. I love it.  Now that the monsoons are over...it'll stay this way right through winter and summer till about next July when the monsoon clouds come in again.

Wish I could send it to you.....   :D 

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2017, 03:42:14 PM »
I am a sceptic in spite of living in a house where on a daily basis for 11 of the 15 years we lived there, the weirdest things happened on a daily basis.
FLOO, if you are still concerned about the photos and still have them perhaps you could have them forensically examined .

even more so , the negatives .

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2017, 03:43:47 PM »
I am a sceptic in spite of living in a house where on a daily basis for 11 of the 15 years we lived there, the weirdest things happened on a daily basis.


Yes...and that's the proof that all this is a mindset issue.  It can't be changed so easily even if one has mystical experiences oneself.  It requires a massive breakthrough to change ones mindset. All our discussions are just a waste of time really...though entertaining!

I remember you had your frozen shoulder cured through some strange event in your field. So...being a skeptic is not really a matter of choice it seems. You can't help being one in spite of your experiences.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2017, 05:30:22 PM »

Oh...the weather is fine here ippy. Sunny and bright as ever. I love it.  Now that the monsoons are over...it'll stay this way right through winter and summer till about next July when the monsoon clouds come in again.

Wish I could send it to you.....   :D

I think you've got a very nasty streak in you Sriram, as you must know we've got some months of winter weather to look forward to and you didn't really have to tell us about your blasted good fortune with the weather over there or with the "how much how I love it" statement, there's no good reason why you couldn't have kept that to yourself.

However, good on you, regards ippy 

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2017, 05:34:40 PM »
I think you've got a very nasty streak in you Sriram, as you must know we've got some months of winter weather to look forward to and you didn't really have to tell us about your blasted good fortune with the weather over there or with the "how much how I love it" statement, there's no good reason why you couldn't have kept that to yourself.

However, good on you, regards ippy

Dear, oh dear..  ::) smh
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2017, 05:37:23 PM »
One thing about the weird things that happened at our previous property was that whilst they could be annoying, especially the Welsh words and images,  which appeared on the walls, which I was forever painting out, we were never frightened by it. My childhood family home, which was said to host a poltergeist, was much more scary, even though the activity there wasn't nearly so eventful or frequent.


Amazing!  :D

You are the only person I know who so stubbornly insist's that there must be 'some other' explanation in spite of all these personal experiences over the years.   It must be some sort of a fear that makes you emphatically deny such matters. 

Be that as it may, thanks for sharing your experiences.  Maybe you could post the photographs on the net and give us the link. 

Walter of course insists that there must be some manipulation done on the negatives.  You would know better obviously!

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2017, 05:38:29 PM »
I think you've got a very nasty streak in you Sriram, as you must know we've got some months of winter weather to look forward to and you didn't really have to tell us about your blasted good fortune with the weather over there or with the "how much how I love it" statement, there's no good reason why you couldn't have kept that to yourself.

However, good on you, regards ippy


You asked for it ippy...twice!  :D

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2017, 05:43:20 PM »
Walter can think what he likes, I wouldn't have a clue how to manipulate a photo, even if I wanted to, which I don't.



But you are pretty strong and managed to live in these places for several years in spite of such happenings!  That is great!  :)

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2017, 07:05:57 PM »

You asked for it ippy...twice!  :D

Appolgies for my twisted sense of humour and you're right, it serves me right, :P :P :D.

Regards ippy

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2017, 07:12:38 PM »
Walter can think what he likes, I wouldn't have a clue how to manipulate a photo, even if I wanted to, which I don't.
i was simply offering a possible solution to find a definitive answer , no need for that comment.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2017, 07:20:57 PM »
Walter can think what he likes, I wouldn't have a clue how to manipulate a photo, even if I wanted to, which I don't.

You only have to stop for a minute and think when was the last time any and I mean any, any of these supposedly unadulterated photos of the supernatural or supernatural sign writings, wherever hit the headlines on the worlds media as incontravertable evidence of supernatural happenings?

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2017, 06:22:32 AM »


Floo,

Having had such extraordinary experiences yourself (over several years) and with your own photographic evidence et al....why do you make statements like "Ghosts and spirits aren't real" ??!!

A strange bipolar attitude I would say.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2017, 08:26:58 AM »
And what is a bipolar attitude? Is that Sriram speak for someone who doesn't see it your way? ::)


What I meant by 'bipolar' attitude is 'inconsistent'. 

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2017, 09:38:59 AM »
I suppose there'll always be those looking for the magic and mystical things they like to think exist of in spite of the lack of any supportable evidence, a bit like I dare say if you look hard enough you'll find there's still a few Zeus believers around.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2017, 09:41:58 AM »
I suppose there'll always be those looking for the magic and mystical things they like to think exist of in spite of the lack of any supportable evidence, a bit like I dare say if you look hard enough you'll find there's still a few Zeus believers around.

ippy
They are conjured up regularly whenever it suits the argument........I'll get me coat.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2017, 09:42:36 AM »
I didn't enjoy living in my childhood property much as that could be frightening, probably because my mother kept on about it.

However in our 'haunted' home in Wales I have no such fear, nor did my husband. This was probably because we believe there is a natural explanation for all that is considered 'supernatural today', even if science has not discovered it yet.
so you grew up in a haunted house and now you live in one with your husband . Who determined they were haunted?

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2017, 09:55:47 AM »
Then why didn't you say 'inconsistent'? Bipolar is a mental illness, which I don't have! As for being inconsistent, I have always stated my belief there is a natural explanation for everything even if science hasn't yet found it.


'Bipolar disorder' is a mental illness in which a person adopts extreme reactions.  Bipolar just means opposites.

Whether your experiences are categorized as natural or supernatural or whatever, is irrelevant.   That is just a label.

The fact remains that you believe you are living in a haunted house, have 'miraculous' cures for your frozen shoulder, routinely paint over writings that appear automatically on your walls, have home photographs with strange faces and persons, talk of a poltergeist in your home....and still keep insisting that there is nothing like spirits, ghosts and so on....  That is inconsistent!

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2017, 10:11:18 AM »
Where did you get all that from Sririam???  Floo you're more fascinating than I ever imagined.
Later - it's OK, I've now read some of the earlier posts on this thread so get the picture.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2017, 11:06:07 AM »

'Bipolar disorder' is a mental illness in which a person adopts extreme reactions.  Bipolar just means opposites.

Whether your experiences are categorized as natural or supernatural or whatever, is irrelevant.   That is just a label.

The fact remains that you believe you are living in a haunted house, have 'miraculous' cures for your frozen shoulder, routinely paint over writings that appear automatically on your walls, have home photographs with strange faces and persons, talk of a poltergeist in your home....and still keep insisting that there is nothing like spirits, ghosts and so on....  That is inconsistent!
yes, I have to agree with you .

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:30 AM »
I mean about being inconsistent .