Spirit photography

[Udayana]

I mean about being inconsistent .

It is not necessarily inconsistent. Weird things happen all the time, could happen randomly, be faked or be evidence for unknown forces. But there is certainly insufficient evidence to be able to construct any useful models involving about gods, souls, life after death or other supernatural metaphysics.   

Religious or supernatural ideas put forward may be of help to some people on a subjective basis but, in general, the intentions behind them are often found to be attempts to undermine, exploit or control people.

This was all documented by Scooby Doo in the last century.

[Maeght]

As I can't explain it and I lived in the property, I doubt anyone else will.

Was this a film camera where the film was sent off to be processed?

[Maeght]

It is not necessarily inconsistent. Weird things happen all the time, could happen randomly, be faked or be evidence for unknown forces. But there is certainly insufficient evidence to be able to construct any useful models involving about gods, souls, life after death or other supernatural metaphysics.   

Religious or supernatural ideas put forward may be of help to some people on a subjective basis but, in general, the intentions behind them are often found to be attempts to undermine, exploit or control people.

This was all documented by Scooby Doo in the last century.

Indeed. You can recognised that things happen with no clear explanation without deciding that it is to do with ghosts and the like.

[Walter]

Our previous property hosted weird activity for 11 of the 15 years we lived there. As I am tired of repeating my husband, who has a background in science, and I, don't believe in the supernatural!

so what do you think was responsible for the weird activity ?

[ippy]

They are conjured up regularly whenever it suits the argument........I'll get me coat.

Vlad, I deliberately missed out the mention of Pixies, Leprechauns, Unicorns or god, all equally viable ideas, with due deference to your feelings about them and you're still complaining?

Kind regards, ippy.
 

[Walter]

We thought at first it was a hoax, but when things happened before our eyes we have to revise that opinion.

I hope you don't mind me pressing you on this , I am genuinely interested , please explain what happened before your eyes and who witnessed it ?

[Maeght]

The photos with images were using a film, which had to be processed. They were taken in the first three years or so of moving into that house. I don't know what happened to the negatives, I probably threw them away when we moved house.

So potential for issues during processing to be an explanation. Shame you can't check the negatives.

I too would like to know what it was you witnessed before your eyes if you don't mind expanding on that.

[Walter]

I have bored people on this forum with the details over the years, so I am not going to go into it all again. However, the witnesses are many, including six policemen who I invited to take a 'ghost tour' of our property as a thank you for helping to find our DS son who had got lost on a mountain walk. They were a bit freaked out when in the lounge a larger than life stain, in the image of a monk, appeared on the wall behind them.  They said they would prefer to catch criminals any day to living in our home. Several films were made of the phenomenon, including one commissioned  by the Foreign Office, I still have no idea why they wanted one. An American film company offered us a ridiculously large sum of money so they could make a film, but when we heard how they were going to go about it, we turned them down flat, as it would be 99.9% fiction.

As for the 'Miracle Field', which became like a mini Lourdes for a while, whilst we permitted people to stand at the gate and imbibe the vibes we refused to take any money from them. People thought we were crazy, but we felt it would be morally wrong, especially as my husband and I were total sceptics.

ok I respect that . So as skeptics why were you not interested to investigate the phenomena , which would have been an obvious thing for me to do?

[Walter]

We did try, but came up with nothing, besides which, we had much more important considerations when we were living there.

well each to their own
 .If it had been me , based on what you've revealed on here , I would not have let it drop until I had got to the bottom of it. And your reluctance to do that and turning down 'a lot of money ' casts doubt on the veracity of your claims in my eyes

[SusanDoris]

Something I can speak about with experience that you could if you wanted to scale up to most things in life, I wear hearing aids one behind each ear, I take the off at night for obvious reasons and then put them back on/in each morning the sound they transmit into my ears is a rather tinny sound and it would be reasonably easy for any competent sound engineer to prove that the tinny sound the small speakers transmit to my ears will remain the same tinny sound for all of the time I'm wearing them.

But no, guess what, my brain, independently of anything I can control, turns the sound into an approximation of whatever it thinks the sounds it's dealing with should sound like and to me these sounds are no longer tinny sounds, to me, they all sound as warm and natural as my brain thinks they should be.

One of the jobs our brains do without any prompting is to make every effort to make sense of its surroundings, lots of things in our short lives don't necessarily make sense and I'm sure a part of these, senseless to me, religious or ideas spiritual, dependent on your take on the meaning of spiritual, are partly made up by our brains again trying to make sense of this world we all live in, nothing mystical about it, although I must concede it looks that way.

There's so much more to that simple statement of Russell's about the tea pot, than is immediately obvious.

Regards ippy

I do of course know exactly what you mean!  And this last week the hearing in my left ear has deteriorated a bit more and I'm going to have to have that hearing aid adjusted this week.  Interestingly, I think my brain has already begun to adjust.

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Atheists usually accuse believers of seeing things they want to see. From Floo's case it is clear that atheists and skeptics ignore and turn a blind eye to things that are staring them in the face ...just because they don't want to believe it.

What is the use of asking for evidence if you don't want to see it?

Cheers.

Sriram

[ekim]

Kirlian photography seems to have died out.

[SusanDoris]

well each to their own
 .If it had been me , based on what you've revealed on here , I would not have let it drop until I had got to the bottom of it.

Me too.

By the way, how is the new hip getting on?

[Walter]

Me too.

By the way, how is the new hip getting on?

well SD, it's doing well , each day better than the last however getting through the night without waking and  having to get up is a bit of a problem. Also pain management has some weird side effects , not too unpleasant though

thanks for asking 

[SweetPea]

What I find interesting is Floo is the best type of witness to this type of phenomena simply because she is a skeptic. Someone that does not believe in this stuff would surely not make it all up. Walter, I disagree with you.... surely Floo would have accepted offers of payment if she had contrived the events for the purpose of making some cash. So, together with what I have seen of Floo's character on this forum, I take her to be genuine.

So, does anyone have any explanation for poltergeist activity?

[Walter]

As I said we had much more important things on which to focus our attention at the time. As for money, we had moral objections to accepting the money we were offered. If you don't wish to accept any of that it is entirely up to you.

you're very gracious 

[SusanDoris]

well SD, it's doing well , each day better than the last however getting through the night without waking and  having to get up is a bit of a problem. Also pain management has some weird side effects , not too unpleasant though

thanks for asking 

I'm very pleased to hear it. Make absolutely sure you do the exercises required to regain muscle strength.  You have to be conscientious and do them as often as told - it really is worth every minute of your time thus spent.

[Walter]

Hi everyone,

Atheists usually accuse believers of seeing things they want to see. From Floo's case it is clear that atheists and skeptics ignore and turn a blind eye to things that are staring them in the face ...just because they don't want to believe it.

What is the use of asking for evidence if you don't want to see it?

Cheers.

Sriram

we are not all called Floo and there is no way of knowing what Floo describes is evidence of any kind because it was not investigated .
People who see fairies believe in fairies!!!!!!

[Maeght]

Hi everyone,

Atheists usually accuse believers of seeing things they want to see. From Floo's case it is clear that atheists and skeptics ignore and turn a blind eye to things that are staring them in the face ...just because they don't want to believe it.

What is the use of asking for evidence if you don't want to see it?

Cheers.

Sriram

No, they see the phenomena but don't jump to the conclusion that it is to do with ghosts etc

[Maeght]

What I find interesting is Floo is the best type of witness to this type of phenomena simply because she is a skeptic. Someone that does not believe in this stuff would surely not make it all up. Walter, I disagree with you.... surely Floo would have accepted offers of payment if she had contrived the events for the purpose of making some cash. So, together with what I have seen of Floo's character on this forum, I take her to be genuine.

So, does anyone have any explanation for poltergeist activity?

Imagination for one.

[Walter]

I'm very pleased to hear it. Make absolutely sure you do the exercises required to regain muscle strength.  You have to be conscientious and do them as often as told - it really is worth every minute of your time thus spent.

quite right too .
Fortunately I'm recovering at my sisters place with a huge flat garden with a specially designed foot/wheelchair way winding through flower beds with seating every so far along for resting . So when the weather permits it I'm up and walking round on crutches as often as possible . It's ideal 

[Walter]

What I find interesting is Floo is the best type of witness to this type of phenomena simply because she is a skeptic. Someone that does not believe in this stuff would surely not make it all up. Walter, I disagree with you.... surely Floo would have accepted offers of payment if she had contrived the events for the purpose of making some cash. So, together with what I have seen of Floo's character on this forum, I take her to be genuine.

So, does anyone have any explanation for poltergeist activity?

this post only highlights you gullibility , this is a forum of people of dubious character 

[SweetPea]

Maeght, I was hoping you would appear to give me a scientific explanation.

C'mon now..... you're making Floo out to be a fibber.

There are hundreds, thousands of pieces of evidence with witnesses to poltergeist activity..... they can't all be making it up.

The thing is, if you can't take on board the spiritual you can't get off the starting blocks with any of this.

[SweetPea]

Walter, I hope you health continues to improve.

Please come out of denial.....

[Gordon]

There are hundreds, thousands of pieces of evidence with witnesses to poltergeist activity..... they can't all be making it up.

You mean anecdotal claims, which is insufficient since people make mistakes and tell lies - how have you excluded these risks?

The thing is, if you can't take on board the spiritual you can't get off the starting blocks with any of this.

The thing is; you are begging the question.