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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2017, 05:52:16 AM »
Yes but at one point he stopped the recording as he claimed to see a monk walking up and down the kitchen, I had seen that myself on a couple of occasions, but it had not been mentioned to the media.


This becomes more and more intriguing......

You (and some others) actually see a monk walking up and down your kitchen several times.... and even though he is not of the flesh and blood variety, you just dismiss the events from your mind and hope for some 'scientific' explanation to emerge?!!   Amazing!!

Besides the ghost/spirit explanation, what other explanation do you think would be forthcoming?!  The usual ones such as ...its an illusion...its all your imagination...what medicines have you been taking...its play of light and shadow...maybe someone was dressing up and fooling you...was it Halloween...did you have proper sleep....and so on... ??

Or do you expect some mishmash about magnetic forces, gravity, EM forces, atmospheric effect, ionized particles......and stuff like that....??  ::)
 
I still believe your indifference and stubborn reluctance to accept the varied phenomena as paranormal, is born of fear!  So also most other people's....
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2017, 08:10:43 AM »
Sriram, it's amazing the lengths some will go to to stay in denial.

Some on this thread saying this phenomena is imagined? How can something be imagined when there are independent witnesses. How can you imagine things in your house disappearing, being misplaced or flying round a room? You would have to be quite poorly..


 
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2017, 08:13:56 AM »
First of all, let's get some basic neuroscience and psychology out of the way. We don't "see" things, we perceive them. Our eyes are rather imperfect organs with which we receive visual information. The actual seeing is done in the visual cortex, contained in the parietal lobe of the brain, although appropriate investigation also shows that other parts of the brain are involved.

At the fairly mechanistic level of visual perception it can be shown that, in the eye itself, only a small percentage of the visual field is "in colour" only a very small area is "sharp", that there is an area with no visual sensors at all, the "blind spot" and that visual information falling the left side of the retina is sent to the right-hand side of the brain (and vice versa). What we perceive as reality is actually an elaborate construction based on visual information, memory and expectation.

Perception is not veridical. it can allow for all sorts of subjective influences to condition what we think is real. Another perceptual phenomenon is music. Musical instruments do not produce music - they produce a toot, or a whistle or a plunk or a boom. Our brains reassemble those sounds into the physical and emotional experience we call music. If you want an interesting example of this, at the start of the last movement of Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony, the first and second violins are each playing their parts from the score but you hear neither - you hear a melody which nobody is playing.

To get onto digital photography. The advent of digital photography has produced the situation where almost anyone can produce elaborate fakes. A few years ago the film Gravity won numerous awards. But few people watching the film were aware that most of what they were seeing was produced in the computers of a company called Framestore, in central London. About 90% of the film was the result of digital processes. The software to manipulate digital photographs - both still and moving - is readily available, in some cases simply by downloading from the internet.

The "spirit" image in the clip which Sriram finds so convincing can be much more readily accepted as fake than real by people with open minds.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2017, 08:48:02 AM »


The "spirit" image in the clip which Sriram finds so convincing can be much more readily accepted as fake than real by people with open minds.


I believe that spirits exist. In fact I believe that we all are spirits that are evolving over several births.... and death is only shedding of one body to acquire another one. That is my philosophy of life. I have reiterated that many times on here. 

So....I have no problem accepting that image in the video as genuine. It ties in with my philosophy. You wanted direct evidence...you got it!

But I don't know for a fact that the video is genuine and so it is possible that it is fake.  However, if it is fake that does not change my philosophy in any way.  I still believe in spirits and after life and reincarnation....

However, if that image is genuine as also Floo's experiences.....then you people have a problem!  All of you have  considerable rethinking to do. Your only other option presently is to keep your chin up, grit your teeth, laugh collectively at me and keep insisting again and again that it is all fake.  :D

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2017, 08:53:02 AM »
I have no more to say on this topic.
I'm not surprised at your reluctance to continue with this . I find the whole story highly suspect (and that is being polite). If you didn't want discuss it why bring it up in the first place .

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2017, 08:55:40 AM »

I believe that spirits exist. In fact I believe that we all are spirits that are evolving over several births.... and death is only shedding of one body to acquire another one. That is my philosophy of life. I have reiterated that many times on here. 

So....I have no problem accepting that image in the video as genuine. It ties in with my philosophy. You wanted direct evidence...you got it!

But I don't know for a fact that the video is genuine and so it is possible that it is fake.  However, if it is fake that does not change my philosophy in any way.  I still believe in spirits and after life and reincarnation....

However, if that image is genuine as also Floo's experiences.....then you people have a problem!  All of you have  considerable rethinking to do. Your only other option presently is to keep your chin up, grit your teeth, laugh collectively at me and keep insisting again and again that it is all fake.  :D
I cant even be bothered to explain . Have a nice day  ::)

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2017, 09:00:40 AM »
Sriram, we are not laughing at you collectively. You are a valued contributor to this forum and present us with a view of the world which, in many respects, is refreshing.

In this instance, however, Occam's razor, the rule of parsimony - whatever you prefer to call it - suggests that there is a much simpler explanation for the image than the one you accept.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2017, 09:42:28 AM »
I have no more to say on this topic.

I understand Floo, based on some of the comments made.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2017, 09:46:29 AM »
Sriram, it's amazing the lengths some will go to to stay in denial.

Some on this thread saying this phenomena is imagined? How can something be imagined when there are independent witnesses. How can you imagine things in your house disappearing, being misplaced or flying round a room? You would have to be quite poorly..

Its not about being in denial its about not being gullible and viewing stories with a health scepticism. Imagination is one suggestion but this word refers to processes such as those described by Harrowby Hall.

What conclusion did you draw from the Hampton Court scenario?

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2017, 09:53:24 AM »

I believe that spirits exist. In fact I believe that we all are spirits that are evolving over several births.... and death is only shedding of one body to acquire another one. That is my philosophy of life. I have reiterated that many times on here. 

So....I have no problem accepting that image in the video as genuine. It ties in with my philosophy. You wanted direct evidence...you got it!




Ah! So...you usually start with the conclusion and then investigate accordingly?! Nice!
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #135 on: October 23, 2017, 11:52:23 AM »
HH #148 

Super post. Far,far more exciting information than thinking there are ghosts, etc etc.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2017, 12:41:32 PM »
HH #148 

Super post. Far,far more exciting information than thinking there are ghosts, etc etc.

Yes I'v just read H H's post 148 it fits in with everything I've read and heard about this subject and very well written out.

As for laughing at Sriram's take on the subject don't include me with the laughter bit, I'm sure if he were to take a closer look into the subject I'm certain he would be taking a more healthy sceptical view about supposed pictures of spirits etc.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2017, 01:09:36 PM »

HH, ippy and everyone,

I was tongue in cheek about the laughter bit.  Don't take that seriously. I guess we all laugh at anyone who doesn't agree with our point of view. No offence taken or given.

About the CCTV video...I do think that it could be genuine unless someone proves that it is fake.   If Floo (a hardened skeptic) and others, can see a ghost monk walking around her kitchen and ghostly images appear on home photographs,  I see no problem in a  video showing a spirit leaving the body of an accident victim.

Some of you might take Floo's experiences with a pinch of salt because it doesn't fit in with your ideas. It does fit in with my ideas of the world and so I do believe that they are genuine. I am only astounded at the completely inconsistent way in which Floo handles this matter, nothing else.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2017, 01:16:38 PM »
HH, ippy and everyone,

I was tongue in cheek about the laughter bit.  Don't take that seriously. I guess we all laugh at anyone who doesn't agree with our point of view. No offence taken or given.

About the CCTV video...I do think that it could be genuine unless someone proves that it is fake.   If Floo (a hardened skeptic) and others, can see a ghost monk walking around her kitchen and ghostly images appear on home photographs,  I see no problem in a  video showing a spirit leaving the body of an accident victim.

Some of you might take Floo's experiences with a pinch of salt because it doesn't fit in with your ideas. It does fit in with my ideas of the world and so I do believe that they are genuine. I am only astounded at the completely inconsistent way in which Floo handles this matter, nothing else.

Cheers.

Sriram
yes, I totally agree with you last point.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2017, 02:55:19 PM »
HH, ippy and everyone,

I was tongue in cheek about the laughter bit.  Don't take that seriously. I guess we all laugh at anyone who doesn't agree with our point of view. No offence taken or given.

About the CCTV video...I do think that it could be genuine unless someone proves that it is fake.   If Floo (a hardened skeptic) and others, can see a ghost monk walking around her kitchen and ghostly images appear on home photographs,  I see no problem in a  video showing a spirit leaving the body of an accident victim.

Some of you might take Floo's experiences with a pinch of salt because it doesn't fit in with your ideas. It does fit in with my ideas of the world and so I do believe that they are genuine. I am only astounded at the completely inconsistent way in which Floo handles this matter, nothing else.

Cheers.

Sriram

I've yet to see or hear of any of these so called spirit photos or films standing up to investigation, I very much doubt if they did, those that take them seriously could be prevented from shouting it from the rooftops, I'm listening; no nothing yet.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2017, 03:13:00 PM »
I understand Floo, based on some of the comments made.

Seems it's embarrassing for floo now.
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« Reply #141 on: October 23, 2017, 04:14:42 PM »
Seems it's embarrassing for floo now.


Yes...I can understand that.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #142 on: October 23, 2017, 05:04:40 PM »

About the CCTV video...I do think that it could be genuine unless someone proves that it is fake.
And I think that it is a fake until someone proved that it is genuine.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #143 on: October 23, 2017, 05:30:14 PM »
replying to Seb who says it's sad that people are using poor woman's death.

But that's just your belief isn't it?!  No proof that it is fake. 

After all, most people in the world do believe in spirits and life after death!  The videos could just be evidence of that aspect of reality.

Could be but isn't clear enough for me to believe it. Not that I don't believe in spirits but this looks vague and dubious.
It's good to be sceptical. If something is irrefutable it will be believed all the more because other occurrences have been rejected. There have always been plenty of people around wanting to fool others unfortunately but their findings are usually debunked.
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« Reply #144 on: October 23, 2017, 05:58:54 PM »
I wrote this earlier today but I have toned it down a bit! :) This is not directed at anyone particular...
Consider the fact that scientists, doctors, neurologists, biologists, chemists, physicists and anyone else I've forgotten have worked and studied and tested and then studied and work more to discover the facts about how our brains and five senses function. As a result of that accumulated knowledge, pain can be alleviated, brain tumours removed, epilepsy controlled, aids to sight and hearing developed, and so on.

Is it not something of an insult to all their work to think that, since the number of actual poltergeists etc forw which objective evidence has been found is zero, to believe that such things exist?. This must tell believers in such things something, surely?

HH's #148 says it all.




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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #145 on: October 23, 2017, 06:06:38 PM »
What if the person who believes in a poltergeist is a scientist? Are they insulting themselves? And what would it tell us?

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« Reply #146 on: October 23, 2017, 06:18:10 PM »
What if the person who believes in a poltergeist is a scientist? Are they insulting themselves? And what would it tell us?
there is one and I'll tell you his name when I remember it but he is wrong .
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« Reply #147 on: October 23, 2017, 06:23:25 PM »
there is one and I'll tell you his name when I remember it but he is wrong .
Being a scientist does not exclude you from being a fool !
rupert Sheldrake is the bloke I'm thinking of
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« Reply #148 on: October 23, 2017, 06:29:03 PM »
rupert Sheldrake is the bloke I'm thinking of
Look him up if you can be bothered 👍
Know of him well. Think it is pseudoscience BUT tons of scientists have beliefs I disagree with. There is a false divide proposed in SusanDoris's post
 

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« Reply #149 on: October 23, 2017, 07:00:11 PM »
What if the person who believes in a poltergeist is a scientist? Are they insulting themselves? And what would it tell us?
Do you know of one such scientist? If not, then there doesn't seem much point considering the hypothetical I think. 
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