Spirit photography

[ippy]

Thanks ekim. Yes..if I do explain all that stuff, it will be on a separate thread.

But I don't think anyone here is seriously inclined to read and understand lofty philosophical material. That is for serious aspirants.

This forum is a meeting place for some idle chit chat...maybe some little 'intellectual' titter tatter...lot of bible bashing..... Generally time pass. And people are fairly decent, fair and civil. 

And though there are many forums where I could discuss serious spirituality, I like  this forum because it has helped me see diverse view points. I am interested in developing and growing my own personal perspective of the world...and this forum helps.

Cheers.

Sriram

So you still can't justify your reasons for you thinking there are ordinary spirits or reincarnated spirits in transit caught by digital photography and recorded without tricks of any kind?

There's no need to get shirty/dismissive about it and conveying to one and all those with a differing view to yours are a bunch of idiots, after all us, so called, idiots are the ones asking for good reason to believe in anything before believing, you're the one that can't convey good reason to believe in your assertions.

Regards ippy

[ippy]

Hi ippy,

There is nothing to substantiate. Its not something I can take in my hand and show you. These are philosophical matters that depend more on perception than on proof. I can only explain them or tell you what they are....not produce proof or evidence for them. 

So...you're right. I have no intention of substantiating any of the Hindu philosophical ideas ...simply because it cannot be done. I have already said that.

Let us leave it at that.

Thanks and cheers.

Sriram

There's nothing philosophical about reincarnation or so called spirits on camera, being philosophical is something else why are you attempting to slope this thread that way?

It wouldn't be your inability to give any rational supportable reasons for spirits on camera etc.?

Regards ippy

[Robbie]

Absolutely nothing shirty or dismissive about Sririam's posts (& definitely never 'smug' (one smug person's favourite word that comes up all the time, generally to describe people who show not an ounce of smugness)) . He's always calm and laid back, humorous even.

I don't, at the moment, believe anyone could photograph spirits but if someone else thinks it possible even if they can't substantiate it, fair enough. It's interesting & this is in part a religion forum so odd beliefs will crop up.

[Sriram]

There's nothing philosophical about reincarnation or so called spirits on camera, being philosophical is something else why are you attempting to slope this thread that way?

It wouldn't be your inability to give any rational supportable reasons for spirits on camera etc.?

Regards ippy

Alright....alright ippy. Take it easy.  You are getting back to your trolling ways which I thought you had left.  Otherwise I would not have engaged in a conversation with you at all.

I have a certain philosophy of life that I believe in. It has nothing to do with photographing spirits or providing proof of their existence.  I happened to come across a video that I thought was interesting.  I have already mentioned that the video could be fake and that fact does not change my philosophical understanding of life.

So...give it a rest.

Cheers.

Sriram

[Sriram]

Absolutely nothing shirty or dismissive about Sririam's posts (& definitely never 'smug' (one smug person's favourite word that comes up all the time, generally to describe people who show not an ounce of smugness)) . He's always calm and laid back, humorous even.

I don't, at the moment, believe anyone could photograph spirits but if someone else thinks it possible even if they can't substantiate it, fair enough. It's interesting & this is in part a religion forum so odd beliefs will crop up.

Thanks a lot Robbie.

Some people think I need to submit my messages for their approval  and certification like a PhD thesis or something.  It is the same superior 'we will decide what is right' attitude that is so typical of some atheists and science enthusiasts. I have seen worse on here.   

(Having a glass of Scotch and about to have my dinner. 8.30 pm here).

Cheers and good night!

Sriram

[Sebastian Toe]

Why shouldn't it be vaguely human shaped?  It obviously would be I would think. Most ghosts and spirits are said to be human shaped!

Well here is the original video.
The one before the 'editing' was done and then published on a site that produces "entertaining videos"!

https://tinyurl.com/NoSpiritHereSriram

[Shaker]

Well here is the original video.
The one before the 'editing' was done and then published on a site that produces "entertaining videos"!

https://tinyurl.com/NoSpiritHereSriram

Busted, as I think the youngsters say these days 

[Walter]

Well here is the original video.
The one before the 'editing' was done and then published on a site that produces "entertaining videos"!

https://tinyurl.com/NoSpiritHereSriram

well researched Seb  thank you

[ippy]

Alright....alright ippy. Take it easy.  You are getting back to your trolling ways which I thought you had left.  Otherwise I would not have engaged in a conversation with you at all.

I have a certain philosophy of life that I believe in. It has nothing to do with photographing spirits or providing proof of their existence.  I happened to come across a video that I thought was interesting.  I have already mentioned that the video could be fake and that fact does not change my philosophical understanding of life.

So...give it a rest.

Cheers.

Sriram

Sorry Sriram, how silly of me, I must have imagined your references to ideas about reincarnation spirits etc.

"under some special circumstances, especially if the person who died is fairly young, the soul can be felt or even seen".

 "Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so.  Souls are normal"

"Also FYI, black souls mean not very evolved souls (more selfish) while white soul means more developed and loving.  ".

"Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so.  Souls are normal"

"Why shouldn't it be vaguely human shaped?  It obviously would be I would think. Most ghosts and spirits are said to be human shaped"

" I am convinced that there is an After-life and that I  (and you too) am a spirit residing temporarily  inside this body.  I have enough evidence...but not of the kind that I can show you or others".

You are very welcome to that lot Sriram, it looks to me the east as you call it is more into the imagination than the west, but there you our lack of imagination has really held us back with all of our technological revolutionary ideas as you must be able to see every day when you turn a light on for instance, or sit at your P C.

Regards ippy

[Sriram]

Sorry Sriram, how silly of me, I must have imagined your references to ideas about reincarnation spirits etc.

"under some special circumstances, especially if the person who died is fairly young, the soul can be felt or even seen".

 "Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so.  Souls are normal"

"Also FYI, black souls mean not very evolved souls (more selfish) while white soul means more developed and loving.  ".

"Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so.  Souls are normal"

"Why shouldn't it be vaguely human shaped?  It obviously would be I would think. Most ghosts and spirits are said to be human shaped"

" I am convinced that there is an After-life and that I  (and you too) am a spirit residing temporarily  inside this body.  I have enough evidence...but not of the kind that I can show you or others".

You are very welcome to that lot Sriram, it looks to me the east as you call it is more into the imagination than the west, but there you our lack of imagination has really held us back with all of our technological revolutionary ideas as you must be able to see every day when you turn a light on for instance, or sit at your P C.

Regards ippy

? ?  What exactly are you up to?

Are you trying to establish that I believe in spirits, afterlife, reincarnation etc.? 

You have taken lot of trouble. Good going! Congratulations!

[Harrowby Hall]

? ?  What exactly are you up to?

Are you trying to establish that I believe in spirits, afterlife, reincarnation etc.? 

You have taken lot of trouble. Good going! Congratulations!

 

I don't really think so, Sriram. No-one here doubts your beliefs - or their sincerity.

What many of us were surprised by was your adherence to a particular belief - that the video actually showed the poor dead woman's "spirit leaving her body". That an intelligent man like you could be so credulous - when there are simpler, more rational, more parsimonious explanations using readily available user friendly technology available - was genuinely surprising.

Still, we're all different ...

[Walter]

I also don't doubt your beliefs Sriram, I simply have no respect what so ever for what you believe and although you appear to be a nice chap in general, I judge you as having a serious flaw in your thinking ability which would have a detrimental effect on us ever becoming friends in real life . Sad really !

[Sriram]

I also don't doubt your beliefs Sriram, I simply have no respect what so ever for what you believe and although you appear to be a nice chap in general, I judge you as having a serious flaw in your thinking ability which would have a detrimental effect on us ever becoming friends in real life . Sad really !

Oh..no problems Walter!  I am good!

[Sriram]

I don't really think so, Sriram. No-one here doubts your beliefs - or their sincerity.

What many of us were surprised by was your adherence to a particular belief - that the video actually showed the poor dead woman's "spirit leaving her body". That an intelligent man like you could be so credulous - when there are simpler, more rational, more parsimonious explanations using readily available user friendly technology available - was genuinely surprising.

Still, we're all different ...

You don't understand HH.

You know I believe in spirits, after life and reincarnation  etc. This obviously includes ghosts because they are just spirits. This is not just a belief for me but a whole philosophy of life. I live by this understanding (never mind what anyone else thinks about it). 

Now...when I see a photo with a ghost...why would I suddenly start thinking like you or any other atheist and start questioning it? That doesn't make sense ( I am not Floo!!).

I agree that the photos could be fake...I have said so many times  (thanks ippy for the quotes)....but unless that is proved why would I suddenly start questioning my own philosophy of life just because of a photograph? 

And why do you expect me to?

Cheers.

Sriram
 

[Walter]

Oh..no problems Walter!  I am good!

me too, I wish you well.

[Sriram]

me too, I wish you well.

Thanks Walter. Same to you ...and God bless! 

[Shaker]

You don't understand HH.

You know I believe in spirits, after life and reincarnation  etc. This obviously includes ghosts because they are just spirits. This is not just a belief for me but a whole philosophy of life. I live by this understanding (never mind what anyone else thinks about it). 

Now...when I see a photo with a ghost...why would I suddenly start thinking like you or any other atheist and start questioning it? That doesn't make sense ( I am not Floo!!).

Does automatically leaping to the conclusion that something in an obviously faked video from an entertainment website is a ghost make sense?

I agree that the photos could be fake...

We now know there's no 'could be' about it.

I have said so many times  (thanks ippy for the quotes)....but unless that is proved why would I suddenly start questioning my own philosophy of life just because of a photograph? 

And why do you expect me to?

So rationality, critical thinking, wanting to know what's the case don't interest you.

Wanting to know what's true or fake interests me greatly; why anybody would voluntarily abdicate that responsibility is a constant mystery to me. A mystery, a disappointment and a danger.

[Walter]

Does automatically leaping to the conclusion that something in an obviously faked video from an entertainment website is a ghost make sense?

We now know there's no 'could be' about it.
So rationality, critical thinking, wanting to know what's the case don't interest you.

Wanting to know what's true or fake interests me greatly; why anybody would voluntarily abdicate that responsibility is a constant mystery to me. A mystery, a disappointment and a danger.

a great last sentence , especially the danger part when you consider how many people share those beliefs , its frightening .

[Harrowby Hall]

You don't understand HH.

You know I believe in spirits, after life and reincarnation  etc. This obviously includes ghosts because they are just spirits. This is not just a belief for me but a whole philosophy of life. I live by this understanding (never mind what anyone else thinks about it). 

Now...when I see a photo with a ghost...why would I suddenly start thinking like you or any other atheist and start questioning it? That doesn't make sense ( I am not Floo!!).

I agree that the photos could be fake...I have said so many times  (thanks ippy for the quotes)....but unless that is proved why would I suddenly start questioning my own philosophy of life just because of a photograph? 

And why do you expect me to?

Cheers.

Sriram

But Sriram, who said anything about me being an atheist or taking an atheist view? My beliefs or lack of them have nothing to do with this.

In this case, the simplest, least controversial, most acceptable, most comprehensive solution to this problem ... is that it is a hoax.

This has nothing to do with the hemisphere on which I live, my upbringing or anything else. My first reaction was that it was fake. You know, if it looks like a duck ... etc ...  And that was based on my experience of the world we live in today.

[Sriram]

But Sriram, who said anything about me being an atheist or taking an atheist view? My beliefs or lack of them have nothing to do with this.

In this case, the simplest, least controversial, most acceptable, most comprehensive solution to this problem ... is that it is a hoax.

This has nothing to do with the hemisphere on which I live, my upbringing or anything else. My first reaction was that it was fake. You know, if it looks like a duck ... etc ...  And that was based on my experience of the world we live in today.

Yes...I already said that it could be a fake. What's the problem?

Why should I think that it HAS TO BE  a fake....?!

[Shaker]

Yes...I already said that it could be a fake. What's the problem?

What's the problem with your acceptance of the fact that there's no 'could be a fake' about it but 'has been shown to be a fake'?

Why should I think that it HAS TO BE  a fake....?!

Because that's the default, the null hypothesis. Your alternative seems to be a pan-credulous version of the negative proof fallacy - everything is automatically true, no matter how barmy, until and unless there's evidence to the contrary (which you probably won't accept anyway or concoct some excuse to irrationalise away).

[ekim]

This week's episode of 'Click' on the BBC is about fake news, including it's effect in India.  It looks like it's going to get more difficult to detect.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09ckd6p/click-click-or-treat

[Walter]

This week's episode of 'Click' on the BBC is about fake news, including it's effect in India.  It looks like it's going to get more difficult to detect.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09ckd6p/click-click-or-treat

well spotted .

[Sriram]

And some of you actually think it is 'dangerous' for us to believe in spirits and after life?!!  Really?!

[Walter]

And some of you actually think it is 'dangerous' for us to believe in spirits and after life?!!  Really?!

I certainly do , it prevents me from visiting parts of the world where I could be arrested for saying something which may offend .


I was once asked by cabin crew to put my copy of God Is Not Great  away while flying Etiad Airlines to DUBAI   on my way to NZ