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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #325 on: October 29, 2017, 02:01:04 PM »

And some of you actually think it is 'dangerous' for us to believe in spirits and after life?!!  :D Really?!
Not at all.
However having a penchant for a certain level of gullibility can lead to quite horrendously sad results. It seems to be particularly bad in India.

http://tinyurl.com/SadGulliblePeople

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #326 on: October 29, 2017, 03:22:38 PM »
Not at all.
However having a penchant for a certain level of gullibility can lead to quite horrendously sad results. It seems to be particularly bad in India.

http://tinyurl.com/SadGulliblePeople

Yes as you say Seb T, it seems to be prevalent in India to have a penchant for a certain level of gullibility and it looks to me that Sriram hasn't managed to come through that lot untouched, the separation of Pakistan a religion based this problem wasn't a ball of fun to say the least and then now there are problems with the poor old Rohingya being unceremoniously rejected from Myanmar, all problems that seem to keep repeat themselves every so often in that part of the world, yes Rohingya from Myanmar into Pakistan is the problem at the moment.

These troubles are all rooted in these, I think, should be redundant magical, mystical and superstition based beliefs, that should have been put into the dustbin alongside all of the other ancient false and redundant ideas long ago.

It's a shame otherwise decent people like Sriram seem to think it's O K nothing wrong with perpetuating these beliefs; just look at some of the not so insignificant trouble they cause.

Funny you know Sriram I can remember having to remind you that it's only your ideas I don't get along with and I've reminded you of this several times and now I'm a troll, well if that's your opinion there's little I can do about it but I can say name calling does very little for your case about spirits and things like reincarnation etc.

Talking about spirits and reincarnation you've not written anything here on the forum that would give anyone good reason to take these ideas of yours seriously, well, unless I may have missed something.

I'm more inclined to feel sorry for people that somehow manage to allow themselves to believe in such totally unsupported ideas more than getting annoyed by them. 

Kind regards ippy 
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #327 on: October 29, 2017, 04:36:50 PM »
Yes as you say Seb T, it seems to be prevalent in India to have a penchant for a certain level of gullibility and it looks to me that Sriram hasn't managed to come through that lot untouched, the separation of Pakistan a religion based this problem wasn't a ball of fun to say the least and then now there are problems with the poor old Rohingya being unceremoniously rejected from Myanmar, all problems that seem to keep repeat themselves every so often in that part of the world, yes Rohingya from Myanmar into Pakistan is the problem at the moment.

These troubles are all rooted in these, I think, should be redundant magical, mystical and superstition based beliefs, that should have been put into the dustbin alongside all of the other ancient false and redundant ideas long ago.

It's a shame otherwise decent people like Sriram seem to think it's O K nothing wrong with perpetuating these beliefs; just look at some of the not so insignificant trouble they cause.

Funny you know Sriram I can remember having to remind you that it's only your ideas I don't get along with and I've reminded you of this several times and now I'm a troll, well if that's your opinion there's little I can do about it but I can say name calling does very little for your case about spirits and things like reincarnation etc.

Talking about spirits and reincarnation you've not written anything here on the forum that would give anyone good reason to take these ideas of yours seriously, well, unless I may have missed something.

I'm more inclined to feel sorry for people that somehow manage to allow themselves to believe in such totally unsupported ideas more than getting annoyed by them. 

Kind regards ippy


Hi ippy,

I am sorry if I offended you by calling you a troll....but continued stalking of person with jibes is called trolling.

Be that as it may...religion is a very complex thing. Its not as simple as 'those beliefs have no evidence so just get rid of them'!

Religions have a strong cultural base, an emotional link and a personal identity. It provides people with a greater sense of belonging than even the idea of a nation or even family.  It has several  traditional and time honored ideas and practices that have made communities and individuals what they are. It has been the anchor and support that people have depended on for millennia through all their troubles. It has been the law provider and the enforcer. It has been the marriage Councillor and  the family doctor.  You can't brush off religion and its role so easily.

Besides all this, religion has also as its base....Spirituality...which is the purpose and meaning of life itself. Some religions emphasize the cultural aspects more. Some religions emphasize the rules, some the rituals and practices and some emphasize the spiritual aspects.

Anyway, I don't think all this will be appreciated or even understood.  So let me not go on.  Suffice to say that religions have their place and their role and cannot be dismissed merely because a small minority feel that it should be.

There are problems in India and its neighborhood just as there are problems in North Korea, Syria, America, Spain and elsewhere. It has more to do with poverty and lack of education than with religion.

More about spirituality and religion some other time.

Cheers. :)

Sriram
 

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #328 on: October 29, 2017, 05:39:08 PM »

Hi ippy,

I am sorry if I offended you by calling you a troll....but continued stalking of person with jibes is called trolling.

Be that as it may...religion is a very complex thing. Its not as simple as 'those beliefs have no evidence so just get rid of them'!

Religions have a strong cultural base, an emotional link and a personal identity. It provides people with a greater sense of belonging than even the idea of a nation or even family.  It has several  traditional and time honored ideas and practices that have made communities and individuals what they are. It has been the anchor and support that people have depended on for millennia through all their troubles. It has been the law provider and the enforcer. It has been the marriage Councillor and  the family doctor.  You can't brush off religion and its role so easily.

Besides all this, religion has also as its base....Spirituality...which is the purpose and meaning of life itself. Some religions emphasize the cultural aspects more. Some religions emphasize the rules, some the rituals and practices and some emphasize the spiritual aspects.

Anyway, I don't think all this will be appreciated or even understood.  So let me not go on.  Suffice to say that religions have their place and their role and cannot be dismissed merely because a small minority feel that it should be.

There are problems in India and its neighborhood just as there are problems in North Korea, Syria, America, Spain and elsewhere. It has more to do with poverty and lack of education than with religion.

More about spirituality and religion some other time.

Cheers. :)

Sriram

I've been called all sorts of things, couldn't give a fig whatever name anyone wishes to call me, I only referred to troll because that kind of thing isn't really needed, you can rename me troll if that's your bag.

This religion will, unfortunately imo, always be with us it needs to be put in its place with the universal introduction of secularism, do religion in your own time and don't keep on telling the rest of us about it, the governments should be blind to religion any religion or belief, no special places for religion or any other kind of belief and no persecution of any religious believers or persecution of believers of any other kind of belief, a level playing field for all.

Unfortunately we all know about these religions in detail, the social and spiritual aspects and loads of the others etc etc, it can't be avoided, ho hum.

I referred to the two troublesome incidents in and around India because that's where you are, no other reason, incidentally Sri Lanka? Wasn't it a bit troublesome in a similar religion based area not that long ago?

My case is quite simple compared to yours I'm not asserting anything, especially without anything that would back up a declaration of that kind; on the other you're asserting all sorts of things/ideas without any evidential backing of any kind, things that there's no good reason to go looking for in the first place.

It's difficult if not impossible to have a discussion, say about the contents of an empty box, which imo parallels with your suggested, more discussion about religion and spirituality, some other time.

Kind regards ippy 

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #329 on: October 29, 2017, 06:23:27 PM »
Be that as it may...religion is a very complex thing. Its not as simple as 'those beliefs have no evidence so just get rid of them'!

Religions have a strong cultural base, an emotional link and a personal identity. It provides people with a greater sense of belonging than even the idea of a nation or even family.  It has several  traditional and time honored ideas and practices that have made communities and individuals what they are. It has been the anchor and support that people have depended on for millennia through all their troubles. It has been the law provider and the enforcer. It has been the marriage Councillor and  the family doctor.  You can't brush off religion and its role so easily.
Try us.

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Anyway, I don't think all this will be appreciated or even understood.  So let me not go on.
I'm guessing that you will though.

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More about spirituality and religion some other time.
There we go.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #330 on: October 29, 2017, 07:40:07 PM »
Sriram, what I can't understand is so much interest in something folk are not interested in, it's the same on the Christian Topic.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power and of love and of a sound mind ~ 2 Timothy 1:7

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #331 on: October 29, 2017, 07:48:41 PM »
Sriram, what I can't understand is so much interest in something folk are not interested in, it's the same on the Christian Topic.
Being interested in something you're not interested in is a contradiction in terms.

You're confusing 'liking' or 'agreeing with' with 'interest in'.
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #332 on: October 29, 2017, 07:55:08 PM »
Sriram, what I can't understand is so much interest in something folk are not interested in, it's the same on the Christian Topic.

I'm interested in what people believe and why. Interested in is different from believing in.

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« Reply #333 on: October 29, 2017, 07:57:57 PM »
Shaker and Maeght, oh, ok, I was just intrigued that this thread has run to 14 pages!
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #334 on: October 29, 2017, 08:06:36 PM »
Shaker and Maeght, oh, ok, I was just intrigued that this thread has run to 14 pages!

Because its interesting what people believe and why :-)

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #335 on: October 30, 2017, 04:32:49 AM »
Sriram, what I can't understand is so much interest in something folk are not interested in, it's the same on the Christian Topic.


Yes...their interest is in argument. Not in understanding.  That is the problem!  :D

Anyway..good way to pass time I suppose.  Like an old peoples club.  At least they are no longer throwing pitch forks.  So...no harm done.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #336 on: October 30, 2017, 04:42:59 AM »

It's difficult if not impossible to have a discussion, say about the contents of an empty box, which imo parallels with your suggested, more discussion about religion and spirituality, some other time.

Kind regards ippy


You THINK it is an empty box!   I and others can see lots of very interesting things inside. You probably are not able to. 

I have many times given the analogy of stubborn born blind men who keep denying the presence of Light, even though it s all around them.

If people tell them that all others can see and experience Light, the blind men would accuse them of the Ad Populam fallacy!  Its the same here.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #337 on: October 30, 2017, 04:44:50 AM »
Try us.
I'm guessing that you will though.
There we go.


Don't expect me to get scared of trolls and bullies...Shaker!   ::)

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #338 on: October 30, 2017, 09:23:02 AM »

Don't expect me to get scared of trolls and bullies...Shaker!   ::)
Sriram

even though you believe in total nonsense , along with millions of others, I congratulate you on your persistence and courage of conviction however misplaced throughout this thread .

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #339 on: October 30, 2017, 09:58:28 AM »

Yes...their interest is in argument. Not in understanding.  That is the problem!  :D


As in understanding that a video of a spirit is more likely than not, to have been faked?
That understanding?
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #340 on: October 30, 2017, 02:14:36 PM »
Sriram

even though you believe in total nonsense , along with millions of others, I congratulate you on your persistence and courage of conviction however misplaced throughout this thread .



You ain't seen anything...Walter!   :D  You have come in very recently. I have been on these boards (including BBC) for nearly 17 years.

Good luck!

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #341 on: October 30, 2017, 02:26:51 PM »


You ain't seen anything...Walter!   :D  You have come in very recently. I have been on these boards (including BBC) for nearly 17 years.

Good luck!
me too, well on and off abut 15 years

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #342 on: October 30, 2017, 10:24:18 PM »

You THINK it is an empty box!   I and others can see lots of very interesting things inside. You probably are not able to. 

I have many times given the analogy of stubborn born blind men who keep denying the presence of Light, even though it s all around them.

If people tell them that all others can see and experience Light, the blind men would accuse them of the Ad Populam fallacy!  Its the same here.

 We all misread things from time to time Sriram, whish I could say I didn't miread things from time to time and be telling the truth.

Have another go and try to answer what I did actually say in the post you seem to have been trying to answer?

Regards ippy

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #343 on: October 31, 2017, 05:19:03 AM »
We all misread things from time to time Sriram, whish I could say I didn't miread things from time to time and be telling the truth.

Have another go and try to answer what I did actually say in the post you seem to have been trying to answer?

Regards ippy


You claim that my box is empty while I am saying that it is not empty, just that you are unable to see what is inside due to your own inability.  That's it!

Only if a person can see and experience Light can we discuss further about colors and other details.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #344 on: October 31, 2017, 07:32:07 AM »

You claim that my box is empty while I am saying that it is not empty, just that you are unable to see what is inside due to your own inability.  That's it!

Only if a person can see and experience Light can we discuss further about colors and other details.
Rearrange the following into a well know story:

"new clothes", "The Emperor's"

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #345 on: October 31, 2017, 07:35:13 AM »

You claim that my box is empty while I am saying that it is not empty, just that you are unable to see what is inside due to your own inability.  That's it!

Only if a person can see and experience Light can we discuss further about colors and other details.
but whether the box is empty or not is not a matter of belief , it either is or it isn't. Any amount of wishing is irrelevant .

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #346 on: October 31, 2017, 10:34:26 AM »

You claim that my box is empty while I am saying that it is not empty, just that you are unable to see what is inside due to your own inability.  That's it!

Only if a person can see and experience Light can we discuss further about colors and other details.

Just a clue, not a very subtle one Sriram, what would the contents of an empty box consist of?

On thinking about your post to 336 me, it's not just a case of doing being more fervent and then doing the written equivalent of raising the tenor of your voice, you would also need to find something of substance that might back up your assertions and good luck with that, you've not managed to find anything of substance in that area to date, I can't see it happening either.

Just shouting louder, or the written equivalent of that, doesn't necessarily make you or anyone else right Sriram

Regards ippy
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #347 on: November 04, 2017, 08:53:23 AM »

And some of you actually think it is 'dangerous' for us to believe in spirits and after life?!!  :D Really?!

Well, yes, to some extent. 

I once worked for a Laos based NGO supporting victims of disability prejudice.

And what was the underlying reason for such prejudice ?  Our field workers reported the same story over and over again - it was a belief in karma,  disabled and disfigured individuals were targetted for hate because of the widespread belief that they were being punished for, and deserved being punished for, their immorality in a previous life.

Irrational beliefs always come with costs attached. Irrational beliefs always cause harm.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #348 on: November 04, 2017, 09:00:11 AM »
Well, yes, to some extent. 

I once worked for a Laos based NGO supporting victims of disability prejudice.

And what was the underlying reason for such prejudice ?  Our field workers reported the same story over and over again - it was a belief in karma,  disabled and disfigured individuals were targetted for hate because of the widespread belief that they were being punished for, and deserved being punished for, their immorality in a previous life.

Irrational beliefs always come with costs attached. Irrational beliefs always cause harm.
good post torridon