Smacking to be banned in Scotland

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

sounds like you need to grow a pair ,pal.

That's a dumb comment. I would feel humiliated, betrayed and really hurt if a boyfriend or husband slapped me. It's not a relationship in which I think the other person has a right to hit you...unless you hit them first.

[Nearly Sane]

sounds like you need to grow a pair ,pal.

Yes, having courage is hitting small children, obviously. This whole attitude to violence is revealing.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

The problem here is that is a post hoc analysis of whether it caused harm in a particular case. It's useless for deciding what laws should do, and given that we stop adults hitting each other it seems way more important that we stop adults hitting children. The 'it nevety did me any harm' is both a subjective opinion that may well be wrong and not a great model for public policy.

Yes - as a public policy I can understand why they would ban smacking, but I think as a public policy matter it is dangerous to worry too much about hurt feelings.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes - as a public policy I can understand why they would ban smacking, but I think as a public policy matter it is dangerous to worry too much about hurt feelings.

I don't think it's about worrying about hurt feelings, and would suggest that that's a trivialising choice of language. Trauma is hurt feelings.


I think the public policy us that we shouldn't allow violence and we shouldn't allow it on the most vulnerable in society in particular.

[Walter]

Yes, having courage is hitting small children, obviously. This whole attitude to violence is revealing.

I have three grown up children and as a single dad for many years , I never hit any of them, ever.

[Nearly Sane]

I have three grown up children and as a single dad for many years , I never hit any of them, ever.

Applaud, absolutely genuine.

[Shaker]

I've always thought that the best response to the "Well, I was smacked and it never did me any harm" is to say that thinking adults hitting children is acceptable is evidence of harm in itself.

[Nearly Sane]

I've always thought that the best response to the "Well, I was smacked and it never did me any harm" is to say that thinking adults hitting children is acceptable is evidence of harm in itself.

My brother was killed for walking on the flower beds but he knew that was the punishment.

[Walter]

My brother was killed for walking on the flower beds but he knew that was the punishment.

eh?

[Nearly Sane]

eh?

'Curse of the Claw' Ripping Yarns

[Walter]

'Curse of the Claw' Ripping Yarns

pardon my ignorance 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think this should herald a harsher attitude to violence in society with 5 years added to any sentence of violence.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

'Curse of the Claw' Ripping Yarns

"They had my sister imprisoned for putting too much butter on her scone, and my younger brother David was killed for walking on the flower beds"

The best episode of the series. I thought the best small touch was the flies following Uncle Jack's coffin in single file.

[Nearly Sane]

"They had my sister imprisoned for putting too much butter on her scone, and my younger brother David was killed for walking on the flower beds"

The best episode of the series. I thought the best small touch was the flies following Uncle Jack's coffin in single file.

Other than the original Tompkinson's Schooldays, I would agree. I liked Golden Gordon very much

[Robbie]

I have three grown up children and as a single dad for many years , I never hit any of them, ever.

Quite right!

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I don't think it's about worrying about hurt feelings, and would suggest that that's a trivialising choice of language. Trauma is hurt feelings.


I think the public policy us that we shouldn't allow violence and we shouldn't allow it on the most vulnerable in society in particular.

Having never felt traumatised, I wouldn't know. It's not really part of my vocabulary and hopefully my kids haven't picked it up from their friends as part of their vocabulary.

Since we live in world where violence is a distinct possibility I would be worried if my children felt traumatised by being hit when it doesn't even leave a mark. I do think that is trivial. I doubt they would be traumatised, having been hit many times in kick-boxing training. I suspect they feel more traumatised by books they read, films they watch and when I tell them they are not allowed to socialise, take their phone away and stop TV privileges.

[Nearly Sane]

Having never felt traumatised, I wouldn't know. It's not really part of my vocabulary and hopefully my kids haven't picked it up from their friends as part of their vocabulary.

Since we live in world where violence is a distinct possibility I would be worried if my children felt traumatised by being hit when it doesn't even leave a mark. I do think that is trivial. I doubt they would be traumatised, having been hit many times in kick-boxing training. I suspect they feel more traumatised by books they read, films they watch and when I tell them they are not allowed to socialise, take their phone away and stop TV privileges.

Everyone lives in a world where violence is a possibility. I have no understanding what relevance that has to hitting  children. 

[Robbie]

I am wondering that too.
Regarding being traumatised, I doubt anyone goes through life without some trauma even if they don't call it that.
Being deliberately hit, even if it doesn't hurt much, is traumatic, more so than if you fall over and sprain your ankle.  It's shocking and the idea that a big person is allowed do that to a little one is particularly so.

[Owlswing]

OK OK OK !

No violence, no smacking, kids!

Just will someone please tell me where non-violence. a lack of smacking, has got us?

Kids in the streets who, if you are in their way as they walk along will shove you into the road and laugh at you.

Report it to the police and you are as like as not to get a right seeing to the next time the kids see you.

Kids these days have absolutely nothing to worry about in the way of paying for bad, even atrocious behavior; discipline is a word, when related to under 18's, has disappeared from the vocabulary.

Hell, I haven't got an answer but the way things are now someone somewhere needs to find a way of discilpling under 18's and I, for one don't give a fuck what it is as long as it works 'cos whatever it is we have now sure as Hell doesn't.

[Rhiannon]

Never got why anyone thinks that making your own child afraid of what you will do is remotely sensible or desirable.

[Robbie]

Agreed.

Owl, the sort of young people you are talking about usually have been subjected to violent discipline in the home.

[Owlswing]

Agreed.

Owl, the sort of young people you are talking about usually have been subjected to violent discipline in the home.

Back-up for this statement please - these kids are on the streets from schools-out 'til past midnight - some of them still in schoool blazers.

[Nearly Sane]

OK OK OK !

No violence, no smacking, kids!

Just will someone please tell me where non-violence. a lack of smacking, has got us?

Kids in the streets who, if you are in their way as they walk along will shove you into the road and laugh at you.

Report it to the police and you are as like as not to get a right seeing to the next time the kids see you.

Kids these days have absolutely nothing to worry about in the way of paying for bad, even atrocious behavior; discipline is a word, when related to under 18's, has disappeared from the vocabulary.

Hell, I haven't got an answer but the way things are now someone somewhere needs to find a way of discilpling under 18's and I, for one don't give a fuck what it is as long as it works 'cos whatever it is we have now sure as Hell doesn't.

Given that it is currently still legal to hit children, suggesting that this behaviour you say is happening, has something to do with not being hit seems odd.

[Nearly Sane]

Never got why anyone thinks that making your own child afraid of what you will do is remotely sensible or desirable.

And why teaching a child that violent conduct is OK on occasion is a good thing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

OK OK OK !

No violence, no smacking, kids!

Just will someone please tell me where non-violence. a lack of smacking, has got us?

Kids in the streets who, if you are in their way as they walk along will shove you into the road and laugh at you.

Report it to the police and you are as like as not to get a right seeing to the next time the kids see you.

Kids these days have absolutely nothing to worry about in the way of paying for bad, even atrocious behavior; discipline is a word, when related to under 18's, has disappeared from the vocabulary.

Hell, I haven't got an answer but the way things are now someone somewhere needs to find a way of discilpling under 18's and I, for one don't give a fuck what it is as long as it works 'cos whatever it is we have now sure as Hell doesn't.

Yes, people discover that violence works independently of having experienced it but hey, we are back into falling short territory