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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #175 on: November 11, 2017, 10:03:44 AM »
Odd thing happened today on the poppy-day front that I don't recall ever happening before.

Kids attending primary schools (in East Dunbartonshire) were asked to wear something red and bring a £1 donation. Of course my grand-daughter (10), wanting to both comply and not be the odd one out, had nothing red to wear so something red was bought which ironically cost more (Tesco being the beneficiary) than the £1 donation. Seems somehow incongruous to me
ALl seems very odd - I suspect some teacher is getting rather confused.

Wearing something red is usually associated with Comic Relief/Red Nose Day, which is many schools sits in exactly the same box as Children in Need Day (which is this coming Friday). I guess what is going on is someone is mixing up those two with Remembrance Day - and thinking that red is a common link. Nonetheless, rather inappropriate.

If your grand-daughter didn't have something red herself, perhaps she might have borrowed something from a friend rather than having to buy something new. However you'll be all set for Red Nose Day which will be in March (or is it every other year?!?).

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« Reply #176 on: November 11, 2017, 10:20:56 AM »
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #177 on: November 11, 2017, 10:26:20 AM »

In general, I don't disagree but then there is this


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41930507
Good for him. I think some dim-wits are confusing it with red nose day.
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« Reply #178 on: November 11, 2017, 11:01:47 AM »

In general, I don't disagree but then there is this


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41930507
Me remember fallen  ;D

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« Reply #179 on: November 11, 2017, 11:15:06 AM »
This "virtue signalling" bollocks that we hear of so much these days is a right-wing sneer against anyone with any principles at all. It should be ignored.
We've found somebody who's never seen Comic Relief or Children in Need.
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« Reply #180 on: November 11, 2017, 11:20:27 AM »
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #181 on: November 11, 2017, 11:59:29 AM »
ALl seems very odd - I suspect some teacher is getting rather confused.

Wearing something red is usually associated with Comic Relief/Red Nose Day, which is many schools sits in exactly the same box as Children in Need Day (which is this coming Friday). I guess what is going on is someone is mixing up those two with Remembrance Day - and thinking that red is a common link. Nonetheless, rather inappropriate.

If your grand-daughter didn't have something red herself, perhaps she might have borrowed something from a friend rather than having to buy something new. However you'll be all set for Red Nose Day which will be in March (or is it every other year?!?).

Whenever my kids had to do the 'wear something red' cobblers we headed for the charity shops. Ditto 'dress as an evacuee' 'dress as a farmer for harvest' etc etc etc.

My eldest got a gorgeous red silk Monsoon cocktail dress for a fiver which her sister now has. Bonus!

Sorry, back on topic...

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« Reply #182 on: November 11, 2017, 12:43:09 PM »
Whenever my kids had to do the 'wear something red' cobblers we headed for the charity shops. Ditto 'dress as an evacuee' 'dress as a farmer for harvest' etc etc etc.

My eldest got a gorgeous red silk Monsoon cocktail dress for a fiver which her sister now has. Bonus!

Sorry, back on topic...
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« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2017, 12:50:09 PM »
I didn’t mean to offend. The red dress was for Red Nose Day. Never known schools to do anything other than sell poppies (red and white) and observe the silence.

FTR my family are from the East End. We don’t forget.

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« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2017, 12:56:41 PM »
I didn’t mean to offend. The red dress was for Red Nose Day. Never known schools to do anything other than sell poppies (red and white) and observe the silence.
Likewise although I don't think white poppies have ever been on sale at the schools my kids have attended.

Each year we seem to go through crazy numbers of poppies as they are bought, lost, more bought, more lost by various kids. The key is to have enough to ensure that each child has one for the Remembrance Sunday parade that they attend with their cub/scout groups. Too many times we have arrived in town for the event to discover, to our horror that the last poppy has just vanished. And do you know the one place where it is pretty well impossible to find a poppy for sale ... the Remembrance Sunday parade!

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« Reply #185 on: November 11, 2017, 01:00:54 PM »
I'm sure no offence taken Rhiannon, your was interesting and the red dress from charity shop was a real result!
My kids are grown up and away but I don't remember them having to dress up on a school day, sounds like fun. They had events for charities and poppies were on sale around Remembrance Sunday.

Mel C & Leslie Garrett are performing at the RAH today. Won't watch it but if I could tune in just for them I would. Not saying I'm great fan but like both.

Anchorman's post on maybe previous page was great.  I too wear both poppies but so far don't have one of either, did buy a red one but it fell off. Went to mums and to shop early this morning but will be popping out later on and will buy another. I have a 'permanent' enamelled white poppy but will donate something.

Read that Nicole Schlerslinger was castigated online for not wearing a poppy last week on x-factor (which I don't watch).  She said she had one but it fell off and I have no difficulty believing that's possible, happens to me every year. It's a bit much that EVERYONE on TV feels obliged to wear one, lots of people say the same but it appears they are criticised if they don't! Can't win.
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2017, 01:19:28 PM »
I didn’t mean to offend. The red dress was for Red Nose Day. Never known schools to do anything other than sell poppies (red and white) and observe the silence.

FTR my family are from the East End. We don’t forget.
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #187 on: November 11, 2017, 01:21:57 PM »
I'm sure no offence taken Rhiannon, your was interesting and the red dress from charity shop was a real result!
My kids are grown up and away but I don't remember them having to dress up on a school day, sounds like fun. They had events for charities and poppies were on sale around Remembrance Sunday.

Mel C & Leslie Garrett are performing at the RAH tomorrow. Don't watch it but if I could tune in just for them I would. Not saying I'm great fan but like both.

Anchorman's post on maybe previous page was great.  I too wear both poppies but so far don't have one of either, did buy a red one but it fell off. Went to mums and to shop early this morning but will be popping out later on and will buy another. I have a 'permanent' enamelled white poppy but will donate something.

Read that Nicole Schlerslinger was castigated online for not wearing a poppy last week on x-factor (which I don't watch).  She said she had one but it fell off and I have no difficulty believing that's possible, happens to me every year. It's a bit much that EVERYONE on TV feels obliged to wear one, lots of people say the same but it appears they are criticised if they don't! Can't win.
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #188 on: November 11, 2017, 01:58:16 PM »


I took you comment that you were deeply conflicted about nation flags being included with the poppy - I was talking about the conflict between being uncomfortable about a poppy plus a saltire, but not about a poppy on a dog poo bag.


There's no conflict. The former appears to subvert the poppy message to make a political statement especially when sported by well known Scottish Nationalist. The latter doesn't.

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« Reply #189 on: November 11, 2017, 04:24:42 PM »
I agree - it should be completely personal choice. Once people feel compelled to wear them the whole reason for them is devalued.
Agreed. I haven't bought or worn a poppy for years. This is not, as far as I'm concerned, an insult or calculated comment on anything or anybody. If it is thought to be so by others, then that is their problem, not  mine.
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #190 on: November 11, 2017, 05:05:59 PM »
I buy a poppy but I never wear it, mostly because I always lose it. They work well on suits but not biker jackets.

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« Reply #191 on: November 11, 2017, 06:46:16 PM »
Likewise although I don't think white poppies have ever been on sale at the schools my kids have attended.

Each year we seem to go through crazy numbers of poppies as they are bought, lost, more bought, more lost by various kids. The key is to have enough to ensure that each child has one for the Remembrance Sunday parade that they attend with their cub/scout groups. Too many times we have arrived in town for the event to discover, to our horror that the last poppy has just vanished. And do you know the one place where it is pretty well impossible to find a poppy for sale ... the Remembrance Sunday parade!
   



My local church has always had poppies and a can in the vestibule at this time of year.
Dunno how your cub pack is run, Prof, but when I was a BB Oficer, we made sure we had spare poppies on hand for any boy who forgot - or lost - theirs....having respect for some older boys who, out of choice, would not wear one, of course.
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« Reply #192 on: November 11, 2017, 07:28:34 PM »

A thought occurs

What would have been the consequences of the Nazis Adlertag being successful and not cancelled? It was, by all accounts quiote a close thing.

So instead of June 1940 being the beginning of our stand alone it would be the beginning of life under the Nazis in the UK.

How many of the lefties posting on this Forum are the sons and grandsons, daughters and grandaughters of, 1940's lefties? In the above scenario there is a very good chance that those parents and grandparents would be treated exactl;y as the lefties in the Reich and the othetr Occupied Countrieds - death in a concentration camp.

There would be no Brirish Jews - dead in the Concentation Camp too.

Newspapemen and women, gays, the mentally ill, the physically deformed all murdered.

Twins sent for Dr Mengele to experiment on.

Can anyone see isolationist America of 1940 lifting a finger to help? I certainly can't; how many of their politicians, between 1939 and 1941, kept going on about "not getting dragged into another European war and having good ol' American boys killed for something that was not America's fight."

Oh they would fight in the Pacific from December 7, 1941 but what use would that be to Britain? None.

Why did this scenario not come to be? Because of all those men and women who stood up and said NOT ON MY WATCH! Men and women who fought, died, were wounded and mutilated, who endured the Blitz, who lost friends and family to defeat Hitler.

The people we remember with every poppy we buy, with every second of the two minutes silence.

Is that too much to do to thank these people whio ensured that we can have an argument over what the poppy stands for rather than being worked to death as slaves in a Nazi factory?       
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« Reply #193 on: November 11, 2017, 09:13:08 PM »
With respect, Owlswing...my grandadad might well have been classed as a 'leftie', by your definition, having rejected both the poppy and the butcher's apron as a result of his experience in the Somme in WWI.
He would have no truck with militarism , imperialism, jingoism or the rest...the warmongering donkeys turned him into a pacifist.
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« Reply #194 on: November 11, 2017, 09:20:29 PM »
With respect, Owlswing...my grandadad might well have been classed as a 'leftie', by your definition, having rejected both the poppy and the butcher's apron as a result of his experience in the Somme in WWI.
He would have no truck with militarism , imperialism, jingoism or the rest...the warmongering donkeys turned him into a pacifist.
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« Reply #195 on: November 11, 2017, 10:24:23 PM »

With respect, Owlswing...my grandadad might well have been classed as a 'leftie', by your definition, having rejected both the poppy and the butcher's apron as a result of his experience in the Somme in WWI.
He would have no truck with militarism , imperialism, jingoism or the rest...the warmongering donkeys turned him into a pacifist.


Wi9th respect - the effect of WWI on your gradfather is one of the things that I mentioned in my post that MUST NOT BE FORGOTTEN!

Was he called up or did he volunteer? If he was called up did he refuse and become a conchie?

He fought and be he and others fought we are free to bitch and ehine to our heart's content - show him a bit of respect for what he underwent that allows you to say whatever you want without let or hinderence!

He deserves you to say, publicly and to the public at large, my Grandfather fought and suffered for YOUR freedom - YOU, the PUBLIC, SHOW HIM some FUCKING RESPECT.

Now I am giving this thread a miss as I am getting so far beyond anger I have no words for it!
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2017, 10:35:33 PM »
I don't understand the anger, no-one has said anything derogatory.
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« Reply #197 on: November 11, 2017, 11:01:47 PM »
There's no conflict. The former appears to subvert the poppy message to make a political statement especially when sported by well known Scottish Nationalist. The latter doesn't.





Do you mean the saltire and poppy badge created by PoppyScotland - an organisation which has been separate from that in England since the 1920's?
Better tell that political activist Anne Windsor, daughter of Elizabeth and Phil the Greek, then - 'cos she has been captured on camera wearing it twice in the last week as she attended events north of the border.
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« Reply #198 on: November 11, 2017, 11:33:20 PM »
PoppyScotland produces different poppies from the rest of the UK - and always has done.
The Scots poppy has four petals, but no leaf.
They produce a number of broaches which have the poppy combined with the thistle or the saltire.
As far as I can make out, the PoppyScotland saltire and poppy badge was first issued in 2005 - long before an SNP government.
JeremyP made a comment about the First minister wearing such an emblem - but, since the item in question is available from PoppyScotland's website, I'd hardly clain it's a nasty political gesture of SNP....

http://www.poppyscotland.org.uk/   



And the pin badge in question can be viewed here.

https://www.poppyscotlandstore.com/saltire-shield-pin.html
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Re: REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY.....
« Reply #199 on: November 12, 2017, 02:42:33 AM »
A thought occurs

What would have been the consequences of the Nazis Adlertag being successful and not cancelled? It was, by all accounts quiote a close thing.


No it wasn't. The Germans were never close to being in a position to launch a successful invasion, not with the equipment they had at the time.
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