New species of orangutan

[Nearly Sane]

Let's hope we don't kill this one off.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/41847356

[Shaker]

We will, most likely.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, I fear you are correct

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Let's hope we don't kill this one off.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/41847356

Will you be flying out to recruit for religionethics?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Let's hope we don't kill this one off.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/41847356

Have we killed any off? I don't think that we can beat ourselves up about Gigantopithecus.

[Nearly Sane]

Have we killed any off? I don't think that we can beat ourselves up about Gigantopithecus.

There are 800 currently. They are the most endangered great ape species. We reduce orangutan habitat continually through our use of palm oil

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Thank you for the clarification 

[Sebastian Toe]

Will you be flying out to recruit for religionethics?

To find you a chum on the same intellectual level most likely!

[Nearly Sane]

To find you a chum on the same intellectual level most likely!

How insulting!

[Sebastian Toe]

How insulting!

I apologise to the orangutans of the world.

[floo]

I apologise to the orangutans of the world.

Those poor orang-utans must be devastated by that very rude remark of yours, I am so glad you have apologised to them.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Those poor orang-utans must be devastated by that very rude remark of yours, I am so glad you have apologised to them.

I hear they've declined the offer to post on religionethics because they only have dial up.

[Walter]

Let's hope we don't kill this one off.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/41847356

as I was reading the BBC article I had a thought wash over me

I wonder what they actually know, and how can we find out ? Do they know things we don't?
When they look at the stars do they know more about their place in the universe than we do ?
Secretly , I'd like to think they do and humans are not as smart as we like to think we are !!!

[Shaker]

Chimps and orangs are tricky to test for. We already know that humans are not as smart as they like to think they are.

[Nearly Sane]

as I was reading the BBC article I had a thought wash over me

I wonder what they actually know, and how can we find out ? Do they know things we don't?
When they look at the stars do they know more about their place in the universe than we do ?
Secretly , I'd like to think they do and humans are not as smart as we like to think we are !!!

We are a weird species. We have been outstandingly cruel to orangutans, raping their habitat for a number of reasons, notably palm oil and because we can, mistreating individuals, beating them, torturing them, keeping them as 'pets' in cages so small that the bars have grown into them.

But some of us, fight for their protection and dedicate their life to looking after them at great personal danger.


Those times where I have been lucky enough to see into the eyes of an orangutan and being part of being observed as I observe, there has seem more in common between us than thousands of times I have done the same with members of my own species.

[Shaker]

We are a weird species. We have been outstandingly cruel to orangutans, raping their habitat for a number of reasons, notably palm oil and because we can, mistreating individuals, beating them, torturing them, keeping them as 'pets' in cages so small that the bars have grown into them.

But some of us, fight for their protection and dedicate their life to looking after them at great personal danger.


Those times where I have been lucky enough to see into the eyes of an orangutan and being part of being observed as I observe, there has seem more in common between us than thousands of times I have done the same with members of my own species.

Amen.

So to speak.

[Walter]

Those times where I have been lucky enough to see into the eyes of an orangutan and being part of being observed as I observe, there has seem more in common between us than thousands of times I have done the same with members of my own species.

hmmmm ,and it makes me wonder

Stairway to heaven ........Led Zeppelin

[SusanDoris]

Tangent question: The title  is a new species of orangutan I understand that a new species can only be called that if it cannot interbreed with the other. Is this the case here?

[Nearly Sane]

Tangent question: The title  is a new species of orangutan I understand that a new species can only be called that if it cannot interbreed with the other. Is this the case here?

That's the general approach but it's not actually correct, the concept of ring species shows this.

[Shaker]

Tangent question: The title  is a new species of orangutan I understand that a new species can only be called that if it cannot interbreed with the other.

That's Ernst Mayr's Biological Species Concept (stemming from IIRC about 1942), easily the best known and most widely held definition of species. However, defining a species is a notoriously tricky and slippery thing and the BSC doesn't hold in all cases. (It's no use with bacteria, for example).

[Shaker]

That's the general approach but it's not actually correct, the concept of ring species shows this.

[pedantry alert]Now don't go confusing things; you know that's a special case[/pedantry]

[Humph Warden Bennett]

That's Ernst Mayr's Biological Species Concept (stemming from IIRC about 1942), easily the best known and most widely held definition of species. However, defining a species is a notoriously tricky and slippery thing and the BSC doesn't hold in all cases. (It's no use with bacteria, for example).

It gets confusing with humans too, the perpetual "lumpers" v "splitters" arguments.

[SusanDoris]

Thank you for replies.

[jeremyp]

New species of orangutan

Or perhaps not

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2017/11/03/a-new-species-of-orangutan-i-doubt-it/

[Walter]

Or perhaps not

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2017/11/03/a-new-species-of-orangutan-i-doubt-it/

a brat link Jeremyp
As ever unless the media can sensationalise something it's not real "news"