Harman strikes again

[Humph Warden Bennett]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/03/jewish-group-calls-on-harriet-harman-to-apologise-for-repeating-holocaust-joke

I suppose she is now going to claim that she is being discriminated against?

[Robbie]

This rabbi is sensible:-

"But Rabbi Charley Baginsky, Liberal Judaism’s director of strategy and partnerships, said that although the joke was clearly antisemitic, “it’s also clear that Harriet Harman was using it to make a point, and that point was to name antisemitism and give a clear example of what is being said."

[Walt Zingmatilder]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/03/jewish-group-calls-on-harriet-harman-to-apologise-for-repeating-holocaust-joke

I suppose she is now going to claim that she is being discriminated against?

Tories are in the shit and a mountain of shit on labour materialises.

[Rhiannon]

Where is her evidence that Neil is an anti-Semite?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

This rabbi is sensible:-

"But Rabbi Charley Baginsky, Liberal Judaism’s director of strategy and partnerships, said that although the joke was clearly antisemitic, “it’s also clear that Harriet Harman was using it to make a point, and that point was to name antisemitism and give a clear example of what is being said."

But he goes on to say that Harpy owes an apology to Andrew Neill for claiming that he would find the joke amusing.

[floo]

Tories are in the shit and a mountain of shit on labour materialises.

There is nothing perfect about Labour either, especially with that guy Corbyn in charge!

[Rhiannon]

Oh god just read the joke she told. Should never be repeated, made worse as from what I can see she did so to bolster her own image.

[Robbie]

I haven't read the joke. I will now.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There is nothing perfect about Labour either, especially with that guy Corbyn in charge!

Unfortunately T May is less perfect to the point of disasterous as are the complete conservative party.

If Harman should go because of politically incorrect speech Johnson should have gone many times over. That he is still there is testament to how shit May's performance has been.

[Robbie]

I've now read the 'joke'. It's no joke.

[Nearly Sane]

But he goes on to say that Harpy owes an apology to Andrew Neill for claiming that he would find the joke amusing.

Oh how original a play on her name that ties into a misogynist view of women.

[Robbie]

My view is Harriet Harman was really stupid to repeat that horrible joke, it was in poor taste and to bring Neil into it made it worse but no doubt she meant no harm (no pun intended). I'm surprised, she should have known better. Still if she apologises - and means it - life goes on.

[Nearly Sane]

Mmm I don't get why a 'joke'  is unrepeatable when you are discussing its effect. The remark about Andrew Neil on the he other hand seems deeply unpleasant.

[Robbie]

I agree, would have been different if it had been a private conversation, two people chewing things over and Harriet Harman trying to illustrate a point but this was a broadcast. She put the joke 'out there'. There will be people who will now repeat it who maybe never before even thought of such a thing.

I'm so glad I am not in the public eye.

[Rhiannon]

Mmm I don't get why a 'joke'  is unrepeatable when you are discussing its effect. The remark about Andrew Neil on the he other hand seems deeply unpleasant.

I agree; discussing this with my kids earlier I said I would have found it ok if there had been a warning beforehand. On live television an old pro like her should err on the side of caution. She didn’t need to repeat the joke to make her point.

I’m disgusted that she hasn’t apologised to AN.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Oh how original a play on her name that ties into a misogynist view of women.

As I have mentioned here before I met her in a professional capacity in 1980 before she became an MP, so I have more right to be bitchy about her than have most.

FTR I think that "Harpy" is not only more witty and original than the more usual "Harperson", in my experience it sums her up perfectly. Don't forget that the Harpies were haters of men!

[Nearly Sane]

As I have mentioned here before I met her in a professional capacity in 1980 before she became an MP, so I have more right to be bitchy about her than have most.

FTR I think that "Harpy" is not only more witty and original than the more usual "Harperson", in my experience it sums her up perfectly. Don't forget that the Harpies were haters of men!

And is a misogynistic term

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Do you think that I care?

[Rhiannon]

Do you think that I care?

It’s curious that you don’t, unless you assume that hate is best met with hate.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

It’s curious that you don’t, unless you assume that hate is best met with hate.

My wife was on the streets demonstrating when Ceacesecu fell. The bullets fired by the Securitate in Iasi were less reported, than those in Bucharest, but no less deadly.

Now our kids, thanks to Ukip filth, are being considered "mixed race". So I hope that you  understand that I have more to worry about than mildly sarcastic comments about an unpleasant middle class feminist whom I bested in an RCJ chambers hearing almost forty years ago.

[Nearly Sane]

Do you think that I care?

  Well, obviously you don't appear to care. But surely the question is rather whether you should care about your casual misogyny?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

The fact that I met Harpy & disliked her (it was mutual) does not make me a misogynist!

[Nearly Sane]

The fact that I met Harpy & disliked her (it was mutual) does not make me a misogynist!

and I didn't say it did, I was saying that using the traditionally misogynist term Harpy,in the way you do, does.

[jeremyp]

Oh god just read the joke she told. Should never be repeated, made worse as from what I can see she did so to bolster her own image.

How can anybody have a meaningful discussion about what Harriet Harman said without knowing the joke?

[Robbie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/03/harriet-harman-criticised-recounting-antisemitic-joke-bbc-show/