Texas church shooting

[Spud]

Dear Americans,

3And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war.

The millennial kingdom is NOW.

[floo]

Dear Americans,

3And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war.

The millennial kingdom is NOW.

What does that mean?

[Harrowby Hall]

It could be a complex way of telling God-bothering Americans who think that guns are the most wonderful product of human imagination that there is biblical imperative for their destruction and transformation onto more productive utensils.

[floo]

It could be a complex way of telling God-bothering Americans who think that guns are the most wonderful product of human imagination that there is biblical imperative for their destruction and transformation onto more productive utensils.

Far too complex for them to understand. There is probably some verse in that crazy book of Revelation, which the religious gun owners interpret as, 'THOU SHALT HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS'!

[Spud]

What does that mean?

It's Isaiah 2:2-4, and from reading Calvin's online commentary, apparently it doesn't mean "thou shalt not own weapons" but that we should try to live in peace with each other. Personally I don't feel it's good to own a weapon that is meant for killing people. I sold my air rifle to buy an electric guitar when I was younger. I was quite shocked when I saw a hand gun on the table at my mate's flat. But there is a view that countries like the USA and Switzerland have not been invaded because it's citizens are armed. I did cadet training at school, which included marksmanship which I enjoyed. I also think it's good to learn self defense techniques.

[Harrowby Hall]

Ah, Isaiah.

So it's not even Christian. It's from the Old Goatherder's Book of Myths, Legends and Fairy Tales.

[ProfessorDavey]

But there is a view that countries like the USA and Switzerland have not been invaded because it's citizens are armed.

What a bizarre view.

There are plenty of other countries that have remained uninvaded or unconquered for as long or longer that don't have citizens armed to the teeth. I think there are 4 ways to discourage invasion none of which have anything to do with civilian gun ownership.

1. Have a policy of remaining politically neutral in any conflict.
2. Have nothing worth invading for, i.e. not strategically important.
3. Have a huge military to act as a deterrent and/or repel attempted invasion.
4. Be very difficult to invade due to geography/climate - e.g. surrounded by ocean or covered in mountains/likely to be freezing cold or boiling hot.

[floo]

It's Isaiah 2:2-4, and from reading Calvin's online commentary, apparently it doesn't mean "thou shalt not own weapons" but that we should try to live in peace with each other. Personally I don't feel it's good to own a weapon that is meant for killing people. I sold my air rifle to buy an electric guitar when I was younger. I was quite shocked when I saw a hand gun on the table at my mate's flat. But there is a view that countries like the USA and Switzerland have not been invaded because it's citizens are armed. I did cadet training at school, which included marksmanship which I enjoyed. I also think it's good to learn self defense techniques.

Britain hasn't been invaded since the Norman conquest!

[ProfessorDavey]

Britain hasn't been invaded since the Norman conquest!

Successfully

[Walter]

Successfully

you sure about that ? not by force but by stealth!

[floo]

you sure about that ? not by force but by stealth!

Meaning?

[Sebastian Toe]

But there is a view that countries like the USA and Switzerland have not been invaded because it's citizens are armed.

Villa invaded the USA.

[Sebastian Toe]

Personally I don't feel it's good to own a weapon that is meant for killing people. I sold my air rifle to buy an electric guitar when I was younger.

https://tinyurl.com/GuitarsAreDangerousToo

[ProfessorDavey]

you sure about that ? not by force but by stealth!

This who are familiar with Pembrokeshire, and particularly Fishguard will probably already be aware of this little bit of history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fishguard

Described as the last invasion of Britain - involving an unsuccessful military invasion by a force of approximately 1500 French troops in 1797.

[jeremyp]

So, if the members of that church congregation weren't terrified, what were they?

That means spiders and rollercoasters are terrorists.

[jeremyp]

But there is a view that countries like the USA and Switzerland have not been invaded because it's citizens are armed.

The USA has bee invaded. The British did it in 1812 and burned down the White House.