Why didn't Jesus appear to his mother?

[ippy]

Eh?

Then if it's not a natural phenomenon, how do you or anyone else establish that this supposed coming back to life is anything else other than a natural phenomenon?

Explain the anything else involved with this coming back to life you speak of only at the moment believers seem to think the idea of supposedly coming back to life is perfectly acceptable, almost normal, why?

Regards ippy

[ad_orientem]

Then if it's not a natural phenomenon, how do you or anyone else establish that this supposed coming back to life is anything else other than a natural phenomenon?

Explain the anything else involved with this coming back to life you speak of only at the moment believers seem to think the idea of supposedly coming back to life is perfectly acceptable, almost normal, why?

Regards ippy

It is something we accept by faith, with that faith being approved by the life of the Church and its saints.

[Nearly Sane]

Just because the church approves of it  doesn't give it any credibility.

Which isn't, of course, dealing with the flaw in the argument that dead people don't come alive based on naturalistic induction,does not preclude some for of non naturalistic resurrection.


ETA - it doesn't actually preclude a naturalistic happening either due to the problem of induction

[jeremyp]

I'm not asking anyone to accept it but to argue that a miracle couldn't happen because they don't normally happened is a flawed argument.

If you are claiming God can do magic, there's no point in having a discussion at all. You have just destroyed the basis of rational discourse. As Stephen Law would say, you invoked the nuclear option.

[jeremyp]

Irrelevant if a miracle occurred.

Or to put it another way, if God can do magic, how do you know that he didn't just place illusions into his followers' heads so they just believed Jesus rose from the dead when he didn't.

Perhaps Jesus never existed at all and everything about him was manufactured last Thursday and our memories altered to make us believe the whole of fabricated Christian history really happened.

As soon as you invoke "God can do miracles" all of the above possibilities become just as plausible as each other and there is no way to argue for or against any particular one.

[wigginhall]

Jeremy is quite right.  The supernatural has no limits.   You can imagine anything, and it's as likely as anything else.

[Nearly Sane]

Jeremy is quite right.  The supernatural has no limits.   You can imagine anything, and it's as likely as anything else.

He's correct in that, just it's irrelevant to Maeght's position. You cannot rule out the supernatural by inductive reasoning which is what Maeght has been pointing out.

[Maeght]

If you are claiming God can do magic, there's no point in having a discussion at all. You have just destroyed the basis of rational discourse. As Stephen Law would say, you invoked the nuclear option.

I'm not claiming God can, but you can't rule it out. And as I said before though, if the conclusion from that is that you can't have a logical discussion then so be it. You shouldn't discount that just so you can have a discussion.

[Maeght]

Jeremy is quite right.  The supernatural has no limits.   You can imagine anything, and it's as likely as anything else.

Agreed.

[Maeght]

He's correct in that, just it's irrelevant to Maeght's position. You cannot rule out the supernatural by inductive reasoning which is what Maeght has been pointing out.

Absolutely.

[ippy]

Does A B know about this, oh hang on a minute I forgot he thinks he's on the blower to him 24/7, must be because thinks his god thingy of his makes him, oh no, hang on again, could be A B thinks he's been assigned free will, could be?

[Maeght]

Does A B know about this, oh hang on a minute I forgot he thinks he's on the blower to him 24/7, must be because thinks his god thingy of his makes him, oh no, hang on again, could be A B thinks he's been assigned free will, could be?

Know about what?

[ippy]

Know about what?

Keep up Maeght, read a few of the previous posts, two or three should do it.

Regards ippy

[SteveH]

How has this trivial and pointless thread made it to 10 pages?

[Gordon]

How has this trivial and pointless thread made it to 10 pages?

A miracle, perhaps?

[Maeght]

Keep up Maeght, read a few of the previous posts, two or three should do it.

Regards ippy

Easier if you explained yourself.

[SteveH]

Jealous? The 'Searching for God' thread has reached well over 500 pages! Why have you posted on this thread if you think it is pointless?

The 'Searching for God' thread is neither trivial nor pointless. Otherwise, touche.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Steve H,

The 'Searching for God' thread is neither trivial nor pointless. Otherwise, touche.

Just out of interest, as all AB has there is "it's magic" too (plus some very bad arguments) why do you think that?

[jeremyp]

I'm not claiming God can, but you can't rule it out.

Yes you can. I rule it out, not because it's impossible, but because it makes it impossible to reason about the Universe.

[jeremyp]

Jealous? The 'Searching for God' thread has reached well over 500 pages! Why have you posted on this thread if you think it is pointless?

On the standard number of 25 messages per page, it has reached 1118 pages. The last reply was 27,943.

[God]

A miracle, perhaps?

Don't look at me.

[Maeght]

Yes you can. I rule it out, not because it's impossible, but because it makes it impossible to reason about the Universe.

That's not a reason to rule it out.

[jeremyp]

That's not a reason to rule it out.

Yes it is.

[Maeght]

You rule it out because it stops you reasoning about the Universe. So basically you rule it out because you want to.

[bluehillside Retd.]

God,

Don't look at me.

Hello God - nice to see you take time out from giving brain cancer to babies finally turn up here. I have lots for questions for you if that's OK, starting with:

1. How do you explain bad things happening to good people (ie, the problem of "evil")?

2. Why have you been hiding all this time?

3. Why have you given the people who've asserted your existence such terrible arguments to do the job?

Thanks