It's OK to to try and have sex with a 14 year old because Joseph and Mary...

[jeremyp]

I dislike music.

Yes we know.

[Robbie]

Do you dislike all musicians though (floo)? Some musicians have had very interesting lives and are part of a particular point in history which they influenced. In any case you couldn't have spent your life without knowing about them. Even your parents would have been interested in some at various points, Jerry Lee being a case in point. Even now he has influence

[floo]

Do you dislike all musicians though (floo)? Some musicians have had very interesting lives and are part of a particular point in history which they influenced. In any case you couldn't have spent your life without knowing about them. Even your parents would have been interested in some at various points, Jerry Lee being a case in point. Even now he has influence

As I have no interest in music I have no interest in musicians either, apart from my own three daughters and eldest grandson, who are very good musicians.

[Sebastian Toe]

As I have no interest in music I have no interest in musicians either, apart from my own three daughters and eldest grandson, who are very good musicians.

How do you know?
Does someone tell you that they are?

[Shaker]

How do you know?
Does someone tell you that they are?

I see where you're going 

[floo]

How do you know?
Does someone tell you that they are?

I know. 

[Sebastian Toe]

I see where you're going 

[jeremyp]

I know.

We know you know. The question was how. Presumably, when your family play their instruments they sound just as unbearable to you as all the other music. How do you, a self confessed disliker of music, judge your family's abilities in that sphere?

[Robbie]

Someone else up at crack of dawn or before in your case. I just woke up because there was a big bang outside my house, don't know what it was, everything looks OK outside but it was loud and we are laid back from the road which isn't busy. Anyway...

I imagine music is like any other subject, people will tell you if your child/grandchild is good at something that doesn't interest you much and school reports will do same.

[Sriram]

What is wrong with men and women getting married as soon as they attain puberty?!  That is the most natural thing I would say. Better than sleeping around for 15 years and then getting married to someone in the late 20's. 

It is a different matter that society today has fixed 18 years as the majority age for most things, including marriage. But nothing immoral about marrying a girl or boy who is post puberty. 18 is just an arbitrary age with no biological basis.

[Rhiannon]

What is wrong with men and women getting married as soon as they attain puberty?!  That is the most natural thing I would say. Better than sleeping around for 15 years and then getting married to someone in the late 20's. 

It is a different matter that society today has fixed 18 years as the majority age for most things, including marriage. But nothing immoral about marrying a girl or boy who is post puberty. 18 is just an arbitrary age with no biological basis.

Where to start...

[floo]

What is wrong with men and women getting married as soon as they attain puberty?!  That is the most natural thing I would say. Better than sleeping around for 15 years and then getting married to someone in the late 20's. 

It is a different matter that society today has fixed 18 years as the majority age for most things, including marriage. But nothing immoral about marrying a girl or boy who is post puberty. 18 is just an arbitrary age with no biological basis.

So it is OK for a 10/11year old to marry is it? Some kids attain puberty at that young age, I did, and so did my daughters and grandsons.

[trippymonkey]

INDEED ?!!!?
ARRE Sriram Bhai ?!!?!? Kya matlab hai tumhara ??

We're talking about KIDS for ef's sake. We're not on about certain types of societies where kids might be at risk from many things, not least other humans ?!!?!?

May I ask what YOU think is the age of puberty

Nick

[trippymonkey]

Just because you CAN DOESN'T mean you SHOULD !?!?!?!?!?!?

[floo]

I am sure a lot of paedophiles would agree with Sriram's post!

[Maeght]

What is wrong with men and women getting married as soon as they attain puberty?!  That is the most natural thing I would say. Better than sleeping around for 15 years and then getting married to someone in the late 20's. 

It is a different matter that society today has fixed 18 years as the majority age for most things, including marriage. But nothing immoral about marrying a girl or boy who is post puberty. 18 is just an arbitrary age with no biological basis.

You are focusing on sexual maturity not emotional or mental maturity Sriram.

[floo]

You are focusing on sexual maturity not emotional or mental maturity Sriram.

Exactly! A girl as young as ten can become a mother, but has she the maturity to become a proper parent? Of course not, as she is only a child herself.

[Owlswing]

What is wrong with men and women getting married as soon as they attain puberty?!  That is the most natural thing I would say. Better than sleeping around for 15 years and then getting married to someone in the late 20's. 

It is a different matter that society today has fixed 18 years as the majority age for most things, including marriage. But nothing immoral about marrying a girl or boy who is post puberty. 18 is just an arbitrary age with no biological basis.

ARE YOU REALLY SERIOUS?

Puberty is no indication of MENTAL adulthood! There are bodily adults of anything from 30 upwards in age who cannot think like adults! You would appear to be one of them!

[Walter]

As I have no interest in music I have no interest in musicians either, apart from my own three daughters and eldest grandson, who are very good musicians.

I'm surprised that with your lust for life you don't have your own dance band!

[floo]

I'm surprised that with your lust for life you don't have your own dance band!

I have never been to a dance in my life.

[jeremyp]

ARE YOU REALLY SERIOUS?

Puberty is no indication of MENTAL adulthood! There are bodily adults of anything from 30 upwards in age who cannot think like adults! You would appear to be one of them!

When my nephew was twelve, he had a friend who was thirteen but who was taller than me and in fact looked like an adult.

But it was totally bizarre because he behaved like the thirteen year old he was. There's no way he could have got married sensibly.

[Sriram]

You are focusing on sexual maturity not emotional or mental maturity Sriram.

And when are all people emotionally and mentally mature.....? At 18, 20, 25. 30, 50, 80???

Why 18...why not 16 or 15 or 20? 

[Owlswing]

And when are all people emotionally and mentally mature.....? At 18, 20, 25. 30, 50, 80???

Why 18...why not 16 or 15 or 20?

Some are! The vast majority are not!

To allow child marriage is a paedophile's Utopia - especialy if you add in today's quicky divorces!

[Maeght]

And when are all people emotionally and mentally mature.....? At 18, 20, 25. 30, 50, 80???

Why 18...why not 16 or 15 or 20?

Certainly not at 14 or younger.

My point however was that you seemed not to be considering emotional or mental maturity only sexual maturity and that sohould not be the main consideration.

[Owlswing]

Certainly not at 14 or younger.

My point however was that you seemed not to be considering emotional or mental maturity only sexual maturity and that sohould not be the main consideration.

Agreed! In Spades!