Author Topic: If god exists?  (Read 6828 times)

floo

  • Guest
If god exists?
« on: November 13, 2017, 11:19:55 AM »
If it was conclusively proven beyond all shadow of doubt that god exists, would the non believers on this forum worship it?

I don't believe anyone or anything should be worshipped, including god.

Shaker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15639
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 11:22:57 AM »
What kind of god? Which one?

I'm not big on the concept of worship either, unless it involves Christina Trevanion anyway.
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

floo

  • Guest
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 11:34:19 AM »
What kind of god? Which one?

I'm not big on the concept of worship either, unless it involves Christina Trevanion anyway.

I was thinking of the Christian god as its concept is the one with which I am most familiar.

Why on earth would you wish to worship an expert on antiques?
« Last Edit: November 13, 2017, 11:36:42 AM by Floo »

Shaker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15639
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 11:52:23 AM »
I was thinking of the Christian god as its concept is the one with which I am most familiar.
In which case, certainly not. Unambiguous demonstration of its existence demands acknowledgement, not worship.

Quote
Why on earth would you wish to worship an expert on antiques?
Because I've seen her  :o
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

floo

  • Guest
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 11:55:02 AM »
In which case, certainly not. Unambiguous demonstration of its existence demands acknowledgement, not worship.
Because I've seen her  :o

So you have seen her, so what, I don't get it?

bluehillside Retd.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19470
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 12:17:50 PM »
Floo,

Quote
If it was conclusively proven beyond all shadow of doubt that god exists, would the non believers on this forum worship it?

I don't believe anyone or anything should be worshipped, including god.

Something I've never understood is why, if you think there to be the god whose character is the best that could possibly be, he'd want to be worshipped. Isn't worship something third world despots demand or at least appreciate?

Seems to me to be a fairly obvious projection by those who feel the need to worship something onto a god who therefore expects it.   
« Last Edit: November 13, 2017, 01:20:14 PM by bluehillside »
"Don't make me come down there."

God

ProfessorDavey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17587
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 12:26:34 PM »
If it was conclusively proven beyond all shadow of doubt that god exists, would the non believers on this forum worship it?

I don't believe anyone or anything should be worshipped, including god.
If that were the case I would accept that god existed - but that is different to worship. That would depend entirely firstly on whether that god expected worship and secondly on whether that god deserved worship.

Walter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4463
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 12:39:49 PM »
So you have seen her, so what, I don't get it?
why am I not surprised !!!

Walter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4463
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 12:40:48 PM »
What kind of god? Which one?

I'm not big on the concept of worship either, unless it involves Christina Trevanion anyway.
have you put her on the list? ;)

Walter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4463
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 12:43:51 PM »
If it was conclusively proven beyond all shadow of doubt that god exists, would the non believers on this forum worship it?

I don't believe anyone or anything should be worshipped, including god.
if the ''creator of the universe'' were to show its self , I would accept it . However worship is a different matter .

Nearly Sane

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 64339
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 12:57:54 PM »
If that were the case I would accept that god existed - but that is different to worship. That would depend entirely firstly on whether that god expected worship and secondly on whether that god deserved worship.


Would a god that expected worship deserve it?  (Note to be honest, I am struggling with what 'worship' never mind 'god' amounts to)

Walt Zingmatilder

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33188
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 01:06:21 PM »
If that were the case I would accept that god existed -
That's very magnanimous of you.

Walter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4463
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 01:17:37 PM »
That's very magnanimous of you.
who put you in charge of judging ?

bluehillside Retd.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19470
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 01:35:03 PM »
Walter,

Quote
who put you in charge of judging ?

God?

He probably gets a special hat and a clip board and everything.
"Don't make me come down there."

God

floo

  • Guest
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 01:50:33 PM »
Floo,

Something I've never understood is why, if you think there to be the god whose character is the best that could possibly be, he'd want to be worshipped. Isn't worship something third world despots demand or at least appreciate?

Seems to me to be a fairly obvious projection by those who feel the need to worship something onto a god who therefore expects it.

There would be something very wrong with a human or deity who expects to be worshipped.

SteveH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10403
  • God? She's black.
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 01:57:37 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
I have a pet termite. His name is Clint. Clint eats wood.

floo

  • Guest
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 02:02:02 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Sleep tight, mind the bugs don't bite.

Walter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4463
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 02:10:52 PM »
Walter,

God?

He probably gets a special hat and a clip board and everything.
;D ;D ;D ;D

bluehillside Retd.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19470
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 02:27:30 PM »
Floo,

Quote
Sleep tight, mind the bugs don't bite.

To be fair though, that's the closest he's come to an actual argument since he's been here.

Pity really. For all I know he may actually have something interesting to say, but so far he's shaping up as your standard smash and grab merchant - post something, get challenged on it, disappear.

Oh well. 
"Don't make me come down there."

God

Shaker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15639
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 02:46:49 PM »
There would be something very wrong with a human or deity who expects to be worshipped.
As David Hume put it, it certainly manifests a very human attribute - a restless appetite for applause.
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

floo

  • Guest
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 03:17:38 PM »
As David Hume put it, it certainly manifests a very human attribute - a restless appetite for applause.

It would creep me out if anyone worshipped me, fortunately that is as likely to happen as it is for me to sprout wings! ;D

ippy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12679
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 03:38:59 PM »
Walter,

God?

He probably gets a special hat and a clip board and everything.

Pair of trousers with a stripe down each side? Best red.

ippy

ippy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12679
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 03:41:17 PM »
It would creep me out if anyone worshipped me, fortunately that is as likely to happen as it is for me to sprout wings! ;D

You do get used to it Floo ::) ::) ::)

ippy

Walter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4463
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 03:52:01 PM »
Pair of trousers with a stripe down each side? Best red.

ippy
doubles up as a carpark attendant at weekends  ;D ;D ;D

bluehillside Retd.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19470
Re: If god exists?
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 04:26:52 PM »
Walter,

Quote
doubles up as a carpark attendant at weekends

Can you imagine Vlad the car park attendant?

VtCPA: “So, you think parking sideways across two spaces is correct do you?”

Me: “Er, that’s not what I did at all. Look, here’s a CCTV image that shows I was exactly between the lines.”

VtCPA: “Mere turd polishing. Now then, you do realise that using the half hour free option is a philosophical statement don’t you?

How do you defend that then smartarse?”

Me: “Um, it’s no such thing. I was just nipping to the corner shop for a box of liquorice allsorts. Where’s the philosophy in that?”

VtCPA: “Pah! I used to think they were allsorts too before I gained my detailed knowledge of confectionary manufacture. They’re actually treats made of scotch mist and unicorn tears you schmuck…”

Me: “So how does your detailed knowledge of confectionary tell you that exactly?”

VtCAP: Silence

Me: "Hello?"

VtCPA: "Category f***!"

etc   
 
"Don't make me come down there."

God