Alcohol minimum pricing given go ahead in Scotland by Supreme Court

[Nearly Sane]

Good.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41981909

[Sebastian Toe]

Good.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41981909

Quick check.
Does it affect the price of my favourite tipples?
No.



Good.

[jakswan]

"The aim is to hit consumption of strong alcohol which is sold at low prices."

It will be measured a success / failure on that basis?

[floo]

Good.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41981909

Hopefully the rest of the UK will do the same.

[Sebastian Toe]

"The aim is to hit consumption of strong alcohol which is sold at low prices."

It will be measured a success / failure on that basis?

It will, according to the proposed legislation be based on several factors. Proven reduction of related deaths/health issues for example.

[Nearly Sane]

"The aim is to hit consumption of strong alcohol which is sold at low prices."

It will be measured a success / failure on that basis?

A tad narrow in taking a single criterion. I see it rather than a single policy, even one backed up by some studies, as a part of an attempt to deal with a complex issue as a part of an overall strategy. At least, that's how it should be approached, imo.

[Shaker]

Hopefully the rest of the UK will do the same.

Why?

Problem drinkers are a minority of the set of all drinkers (72% of the population, IIRC) so minimum pricing financially penalises the responsible-drinking majority for the actions of the irresponsible minority. That's probably your definition of a just and fair move; it isn't mine.

What it is is state-sanctioned intrusion into an individual's choice of pleasures.

[Nearly Sane]

Why?

Problem drinkers are a minority of the set of all drinkers (72% of the population, IIRC) so minimum pricing financially penalises the responsible-drinking majority for the actions of the irresponsible minority. That's probably your definition of a just and fair move; it isn't mine.

What it is is state-sanctioned intrusion into an individual's choice of pleasures.

Because the level set is in line with historic costs and the high alcohol unit low price model is a deliberate attempt by capitalism to prey on those who are desperate, or young.

[Walter]

Why?

Problem drinkers are a minority of the set of all drinkers (72% of the population, IIRC) so minimum pricing financially penalises the responsible-drinking majority for the actions of the irresponsible minority. That's probably your definition of a just and fair move; it isn't mine.

What it is is state-sanctioned intrusion into an individual's choice of pleasures.

too right ! well said

[Walter]

Because the level set is in line with historic costs and the high alcohol unit low price model is a deliberate attempt by capitalism to prey on those who are desperate, or young.

I couldn't give a fuck about them  . I've seen them late at night in A&E they are scum

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Those who are addicted to booze will continue to find it, one way or another.

The stuff I drink costs more than the minumum anyway, so NO it will not affect me.

[Nearly Sane]

Those who are addicted to booze will continue to find it, one way or another.

The stuff I drink costs more than the minumum anyway, so NO it will not affect me.

Except the Sheffield studies inducate it will have an effect.
Should govts ignore studies for personal anecdotes?

[Nearly Sane]

I couldn't give a fuck about them  . I've seen them late at night in A&E they are scum

And if they have kids you want to punish children. Loverly!

[Spud]

Those who are addicted to booze will continue to find it, one way or another.

The stuff I drink costs more than the minumum anyway, so NO it will not affect me.

True, it may not help those already addicted, but as with the rise in cigarette prices, it will hopefully prevent young people from becoming addicted at an age when they are naive enough to join in drinking games etc thinking it won't harm them. So it's a good thing for the next generation.

[Gordon]

This policy, as opposed to a general duty increase, is targeted at low cost/high alcohol products which, as I understand it, are most associated with anti-social and health consequences, which are issues here. In Scotland it is the case already that alcohol can't be sold before 10am, which was another measure intended to curb the impulse purchase of cheap booze.

Looking at the beer and wine in our fridge right now the cost will be unchanged (if 50p per unit is the figure used) since it already costs more than that, and although I can't stand cider it looks as if the cider brands that are comparable in price to the likes of cans/bottles of, say, Guinness, Sol or Stella etc are already more expensive than what the minimum unit price would be based on alcohol content.

There is a problem here in Scotland with cheap booze and its various consequences and that is what this policy is about - I support it since I think it will, over time, improve matters where I live.

[floo]

Why?

Problem drinkers are a minority of the set of all drinkers (72% of the population, IIRC) so minimum pricing financially penalises the responsible-drinking majority for the actions of the irresponsible minority. That's probably your definition of a just and fair move; it isn't mine.

What it is is state-sanctioned intrusion into an individual's choice of pleasures.

So many kids are drinking these days because the price of alcohol is too low.

[Anchorman]

Good.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41981909

 
Definately.

[Nearly Sane]

So many kids are drinking these days because the price of alcohol is too low.

Most indications are that drinking amongst the young is down, and as someone who vaguely remembers being young, it wasn't the price that led me to drink. That said if some drink is signifucantly cheaper, it might lead me to buy that.

[Walter]

And if they have kids you want to punish children. Loverly!

I am not responsible for their irresponsibility (see what I did there?) and their kids will be tear arsing  and terrorising old folk round  the shit hole of a shopping  centre  by the time they're 5 anyway , scum already ! see you Jimmy?

[Walter]

This policy, as opposed to a general duty increase, is targeted at low cost/high alcohol products which, as I understand it, are most associated with anti-social and health consequences, which are issues here. In Scotland it is the case already that alcohol can't be sold before 10am, which was another measure intended to curb the impulse purchase of cheap booze.

Looking at the beer and wine in our fridge right now the cost will be unchanged (if 50p per unit is the figure used) since it already costs more than that, and although I can't stand cider it looks as if the cider brands that are comparable in price to the likes of cans/bottles of, say, Guinness, Sol or Stella etc are already more expensive than what the minimum unit price would be based on alcohol content.

There is a problem here in Scotland with cheap booze and its various consequences and that is what this policy is about - I support it since I think it will, over time, improve matters where I live.

Gordon, move . Problem solved 

[Nearly Sane]

I am not responsible for their irresponsibility (see what I did there?) and their kids will be tear arsing  and terrorising old folk round  the shit hole of a shopping  centre  by the time they're 5 anyway , scum already ! see you Jimmy?

When your knee jerks that much all the time, is it problematic for the hip surgery?

[Gordon]

Gordon, move . Problem solved 

No thanks - this is the place to be for me.

[Walter]

When your knee jerks that much all the time, is it problematic for the hip surgery?

too right mate , anyway I'm trying to hide from nursery now , she's got something big and sharp and it looks a bit scary.


she's  been on the gin since half past two this afternoon and she takes no prisoners when she's in that state. Mind you , she doesn't mind where you grab hold of her for balance either    

[Walter]

No thanks - this is the place to be for me.

have you got music to go with that Gordon ? I'm pretty sure I can hear it , or is it in my head?

Il have another one with ya, cheers

[Nearly Sane]

too right mate , anyway I'm trying to hide from nursery now , she's got something big and sharp and it looks a bit scary.


she's  been on the gin since half past two this afternoon and she takes no prisoners when she's in that state. Mind you , she doesn't mind where you grab hold of her for balance either   

They need to stop your clicker