Fine detail in the gospels: made up or not?

[BeRational]

You would know, because it would be like a bolt of lightning.

If you write it here on this thread, I'll give it a try.

How long does god need to get the numbers to you.

I have them written on my page now, so he should be able to see them?

[floo]

Balls lightening I suppose?  Come on Spud, you must know better than that.

Regards ippy

Maybe god will send a few balls of lightning in his direction for being so silly. 

[ekim]

Maybe god will send a few balls of lightning in his direction for being so silly. 

Thor only does that when He is angry.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Thor only does that when He is angry.

So when he gets angry it's Thor balls?

[SteveH]

How long does god need to get the numbers to you.

I have them written on my page now, so he should be able to see them?

God doesn't play silly games for the benefit of silly people.

[floo]

God doesn't play silly games for the benefit of silly people.

And your evidence for that statement is?

[BeRational]

God doesn't play silly games for the benefit of silly people.

How convenient.

It's not silly, it's a valid test.

Do you think god answers prayers at all? If so you are silly, because it appears to answer prayers at the exact level of chance!

So if you think prayers are sometimes answered, you are silly.

[SteveH]

And your evidence for that statement is?

That it doesn't happen, and the nature of God.

[BeRational]

That it doesn't happen, and the nature of God.

How can you tell the nature of god if you cannot test it.

You just make it up to fit nothing happening or stuff happening at the rate of chance.

Does prayer ever work?

[SteveH]

Oh, just go away.

[BeRational]

Oh, just go away.

Perfect.

You admit you have no argument for your god failing to answer a simple prayer.

Typical!

[SteveH]

I admit I am fed up trying to have a mature argument with silly, immature idiots.

[BeRational]

I admit I am fed up trying to have a mature argument with silly, immature idiots.

You never started.

You have no argument.

As soon as your silly belief is challenged you run away.

Do you think prayer ever works?

[SteveH]

Do you think abandoning sneery sarcasm and acting like an adult ever works?

[Spud]

How long does god need to get the numbers to you.

I have them written on my page now, so he should be able to see them?

There are several points to make. Firstly, do you know that he doesn't exist and can't see them? If you don't know that, then you must be open to the possibility that he does exist and can tell me them if he wants to.

I did ask him and he said, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10". We'll see if that's correct.

Then he said, even if he shows me the numbers, you BR might believe for a while but then would demand that he does it again for you to continue believing. According to the Bible, people had been shown many proofs of Jesus' divinity, but still demanded a sign from heaven to prove that he was the Christ. What you asked sounds a bit like that.

He also gave me more evidence that the gospels are reliable, relating to this thread (obviously he wants us to stay on topic): Mark 15:21 where Mark gives the name of the sons of the guy who carried the cross for Jesus. This can only imply that those two men were still alive at the time of writing and could bear witness. Likewise, why else would Luke give the name of one of the two who met Jesus on the road to Emmaus than because he wants us to know that he is reporting historical fact?

Lastly how can we expect God to answer in the way we want? Someone once had a rant at God about an in-law, but got a sharp rebuke in which God showed him where the debit card he had been looking for was, then said, leave your in-law to me. So God's answers are not what we expect, and humbling. And he always answers.

Have a good day.

[floo]

There are several points to make. Firstly, do you know that he doesn't exist and can't see them? If you don't know that, then you must be open to the possibility that he does exist and can tell me them if he wants to.

I did ask him and he said, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10". We'll see if that's correct.

Then he said, even if he shows me the numbers, you BR might believe for a while but then would demand that he does it again for you to continue believing. According to the Bible, people had been shown many proofs of Jesus' divinity, but still demanded a sign from heaven to prove that he was the Christ. What you asked sounds a bit like that.

He also gave me more evidence that the gospels are reliable, relating to this thread (obviously he wants us to stay on topic): Mark 15:21 where Mark gives the name of the sons of the guy who carried the cross for Jesus. This can only imply that those two men were still alive at the time of writing and could bear witness. Likewise, why else would Luke give the name of one of the two who met Jesus on the road to Emmaus than because he wants us to know that he is reporting historical fact?

Lastly how can we expect God to answer in the way we want? Someone once had a rant at God about an in-law, but got a sharp rebuke in which God showed him where the debit card he had been looking for was, then said, leave your in-law to me. So God's answers are not what we expect, and humbling. And he always answers.

Have a good day.

The numbers are wrong, proving god doesn't exist, otherwise it would have given you the correct ones.

[SteveH]

On the subject of numbers, here's a little conumdrum for you, courtesy of my old mate Ludo Wittgenstein: How many single-figure numbers are there below?
3494674376
"10" and "5" are both correct!
OK, as you were.

[BeRational]

Do you think abandoning sneery sarcasm and acting like an adult ever works?

Yes.

Do you, as you are the calling people silly, instead of engaging in case you forgot!

[BeRational]

There are several points to make. Firstly, do you know that he doesn't exist and can't see them? If you don't know that, then you must be open to the possibility that he does exist and can tell me them if he wants to.

I did ask him and he said, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10". We'll see if that's correct.

Then he said, even if he shows me the numbers, you BR might believe for a while but then would demand that he does it again for you to continue believing. According to the Bible, people had been shown many proofs of Jesus' divinity, but still demanded a sign from heaven to prove that he was the Christ. What you asked sounds a bit like that.

He also gave me more evidence that the gospels are reliable, relating to this thread (obviously he wants us to stay on topic): Mark 15:21 where Mark gives the name of the sons of the guy who carried the cross for Jesus. This can only imply that those two men were still alive at the time of writing and could bear witness. Likewise, why else would Luke give the name of one of the two who met Jesus on the road to Emmaus than because he wants us to know that he is reporting historical fact?

Lastly how can we expect God to answer in the way we want? Someone once had a rant at God about an in-law, but got a sharp rebuke in which God showed him where the debit card he had been looking for was, then said, leave your in-law to me. So God's answers are not what we expect, and humbling. And he always answers.

Have a good day.

The numbers are wrong, and the rest is just waffle as you knew the numbers would be wrong.

Did you get those numbers from god, or will he not speak to you about this?

[BeRational]

On the subject of numbers, here's a little conumdrum for you, courtesy of my old mate Ludo Wittgenstein: How many single-figure numbers are there below?
3494674376
"10" and "5" are both correct!
OK, as you were.

Why is this remotely relevant?

I wrote the numbers, which god must know, and also must be capable of giving that information to someone else.

So, lets see it happen.

[floo]

Why is this remotely relevant?

I wrote the numbers, which god must know, and also must be capable of giving that information to someone else.

So, lets see it happen.

Don't hold your breath. I find it really hard to believe that Spud would really ask his version of god for the numbers and expect an answer.

[BeRational]

Don't hold your breath. I find it really hard to believe that Spud would really ask his version of god for the numbers and expect an answer.

I agree, as he know that it will fail, as he must know that he is not really speaking to god, just talking to himself.

The problem is, they will insist that god does answer prayers, but not this one, or any other we might ask for.

They will cherry pick when something they wanted happens, and say it was due to prayer. It was not due to prayer at all of course, it was just what happens anyway.

They just will not admit it, which I find odd.

[SteveH]

Why is this remotely relevant?

I wrote the numbers, which god must know, and also must be capable of giving that information to someone else.

So, lets see it happen.

It isn't, which is why I wrote "as you were" after it. It was just a little light diversion.
You surely can't seriously think your numbers thing proves anything.

[BeRational]

It isn't, which is why I wrote "as you were" after it. It was just a little light diversion.
You surely can't seriously think your numbers thing proves anything.

I believe it shows that spuds claim that god answer his prayers is wrong.

Do you believe god answers prayers?

[floo]

That it doesn't happen, and the nature of God.

Your haven't provided the evidence to support that statement.