Author Topic: Fine detail in the gospels: made up or not? (Read 135792 times)

Maeght · « **Reply #775 on:** March 27, 2018, 05:54:47 PM »

Quote from: Dicky Underpants on March 27, 2018, 05:53:30 PM

Well, I'm glad that three of us can agree on something.

Me too.

jeremyp · « **Reply #776 on:** March 27, 2018, 05:58:47 PM »

Quote from: Maeght on March 27, 2018, 05:54:47 PM

Me too.

And me.

So the evidence that I listed tells us that nothing in the Bible can be supported prior to the Two Kingdom period i.e. that everything from Adam to Solomon is likely fictional.

We three all agree on that, right?

Maeght · « **Reply #777 on:** March 27, 2018, 06:03:31 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on March 27, 2018, 05:58:47 PM

And me.

So the evidence that I listed tells has that nothing in the Bible can be supported prior to the Two Kingdom period i.e. that everything from Adam to Solomon is likely fictional.

We three all agree on that, right?

I'd have to look at the archaeology, tge records from other civilisations and the internal eidence fromnthe text to have an opinion. I haven't in any detail.

jeremyp · « **Reply #778 on:** March 27, 2018, 06:10:29 PM »

Quote from: Maeght on March 27, 2018, 06:03:31 PM

I'd have to look at the archaeology, tge records from other civilisations and the internal eidence fromnthe text to have an opinion. I haven't in any detail.

There's no evidence that anything in Genesis happened. In fact, what we know of the history of the Earth flatly contradicts the creation story and the flood story. There's no evidence of the patriarchs or Joseph.

Exodus is a bust. There's no evidence of a large Hebrew population in Egypt, Moses, the flight from Egypt or the wandering in the desert for forty years.

There's no evidence that Joshua conquered Canaan. In fact the archaeology suggests the Hebrews were indigenous inhabitants of the region.

The alleged Davidic empire is mentioned nowhere except in the Bible. The only reference to it is a tablet that says somebody wiped out the Houser of David. Solomon is equally illusory.

It's only when we get to the two kingdom period that we have solid history.

Spud · « **Reply #779 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:36:07 AM »

Quote from: Maeght on March 27, 2018, 05:13:39 PM

I don't disagree, but the main purpose of the Bible is to record the miraculous not the everyday. I don't think LR avoided the question, I think she was referring to the miraculous events.

More specifically, it's to record the creator's intervention in history.

floo · « **Reply #780 on:** March 28, 2018, 09:11:41 AM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 08:36:07 AM

More specifically, it's to record the creator's intervention in history.

Which is a product of the human imagination, imo.

Gordon · « **Reply #781 on:** March 28, 2018, 09:40:02 AM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 08:36:07 AM

More specifically, it's to record the creator's intervention in history.

You left out the word 'claimed' in your post: twice in fact, since it fits snugly between 'the' and 'creator's', and again between 'creator's' and 'intervention'.

Spud · « **Reply #782 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:30:33 AM »

It's also his revelation of himself.

Spud · « **Reply #783 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:31:48 AM »

Quote from: Gordon on March 28, 2018, 09:40:02 AM

You left out the word 'claimed' in your post: twice in fact, since it fits snugly between 'the' and 'creator's', and again between 'creator's' and 'intervention'.

Am I obliged to put that in, Gordon?

jeremyp · « **Reply #784 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:33:09 AM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 10:30:33 AM

It's also his revelation of himself.

The Bible was written by people based on what they believed God's revelation was.

BeRational · « **Reply #785 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:35:40 AM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 10:30:33 AM

It's also his revelation of himself.

That's the claim, so where is the evidence.

Gordon · « **Reply #786 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:47:22 AM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 10:31:48 AM

Am I obliged to put that in, Gordon?

I'd say so.

Gordon · « **Reply #787 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:47:59 AM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 10:30:33 AM

It's also his revelation of himself.

Again, this is a claim.

Spud · « **Reply #788 on:** March 28, 2018, 12:03:13 PM »

Quote from: BeRational on March 28, 2018, 10:35:40 AM

That's the claim, so where is the evidence.

If I've understood Maeght's recent posts correctly, he was saying that various peoples' reports of their encounters with God are to be treated as evidence. If that's no what he was saying, I apologize. I think the basis on which it can be treated as evidence is that if someone, for example Job, tells me he received a particular word from God in answer to a prayer, it is possible for me to pray and test the hypothesis that if a person prays God will answer.

ippy · « **Reply #789 on:** March 28, 2018, 12:39:08 PM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 12:03:13 PM

If I've understood Maeght's recent posts correctly, he was saying that various peoples' reports of their encounters with God are to be treated as evidence. If that's no what he was saying, I apologize. I think the basis on which it can be treated as evidence is that if someone, for example Job, tells me he received a particular word from God in answer to a prayer, it is possible for me to pray and test the hypothesis that if a person prays God will answer.

Out of interest, how would you know, even if you thought your supposed god had answered how would you know for certain it was this god you often speak about?

Regards ippy

Maeght · « **Reply #790 on:** March 28, 2018, 01:10:16 PM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 12:03:13 PM

If I've understood Maeght's recent posts correctly, he was saying that various peoples' reports of their encounters with God are to be treated as evidence. If that's no what he was saying, I apologize. I think the basis on which it can be treated as evidence is that if someone, for example Job, tells me he received a particular word from God in answer to a prayer, it is possible for me to pray and test the hypothesis that if a person prays God will answer.

That wasn't what I was saying Spud.

BeRational · « **Reply #791 on:** March 28, 2018, 01:28:51 PM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 12:03:13 PM

If I've understood Maeght's recent posts correctly, he was saying that various peoples' reports of their encounters with God are to be treated as evidence. If that's no what he was saying, I apologize. I think the basis on which it can be treated as evidence is that if someone, for example Job, tells me he received a particular word from God in answer to a prayer, it is possible for me to pray and test the hypothesis that if a person prays God will answer.

Yes, as long as I can do the same, along with anybody else, and we all get the same result.

For example, I can write down a 10 digit number, and you pray and ask god to tell you the number.

That would be excellent.

floo · « **Reply #792 on:** March 28, 2018, 01:38:14 PM »

Quote from: BeRational on March 28, 2018, 01:28:51 PM

Yes, as long as I can do the same, along with anybody else, and we all get the same result.

For example, I can write down a 10 digit number, and you pray and ask god to tell you the number.

That would be excellent.

Spud · « **Reply #793 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:14:18 PM »

Quote from: ippy on March 28, 2018, 12:39:08 PM

Out of interest, how would you know, even if you thought your supposed god had answered how would you know for certain it was this god you often speak about?

Regards ippy

You would know, because it would be like a bolt of lightning.

Quote from: BeRational on March 28, 2018, 01:28:51 PM

Yes, as long as I can do the same, along with anybody else, and we all get the same result.

For example, I can write down a 10 digit number, and you pray and ask god to tell you the number.

That would be excellent.

If you write it here on this thread, I'll give it a try.

floo · « **Reply #794 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:19:10 PM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 03:14:18 PM

You would know, because it would be like a bolt of lightning.

If you write it here on this thread, I'll give it a try.

And you know that because?

BeRational · « **Reply #795 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:32:24 PM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 03:14:18 PM

You would know, because it would be like a bolt of lightning.

If you write it here on this thread, I'll give it a try.

If I write it on here you will see the numbers!

I have the numbers written, just ask god what they are.

floo · « **Reply #796 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:42:46 PM »

Quote from: BeRational on March 28, 2018, 03:32:24 PM

If I write it on here you will see the numbers!

I have the numbers written, just ask god what they are.

Maybe you should send one of us a PM containing the numbers, and then we can reveal if Spud has had a revelation or not!

BeRational · « **Reply #797 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:49:25 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on March 28, 2018, 03:42:46 PM

Maybe you should send one of us a PM containing the numbers, and then we can reveal if Spud has had a revelation or not!

I sent the numbers to you.

If god can tell him the numbers, that will be interesting.

floo · « **Reply #798 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:55:12 PM »

Quote from: BeRational on March 28, 2018, 03:49:25 PM

I sent the numbers to you.

If god can tell him the numbers, that will be interesting.

I can confirm I have the numbers today March 28th 2018 sent at 3.46pm. Get praying Spud.

ippy · « **Reply #799 on:** March 28, 2018, 04:08:16 PM »

Quote from: Spud on March 28, 2018, 03:14:18 PM

You would know, because it would be like a bolt of lightning.

If you write it here on this thread, I'll give it a try.

Balls lightening I suppose? Come on Spud, you must know better than that.

Regards ippy

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