A pagan vindicated?

[Robbie]

I have no idea and neither do I care but whoever started this thread obviously thought it would be of interest to some people on here. The thread is now a few pages long so he was probably right!

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Why should anyone take any notice of anyone that has even sold out the very little credibility they once might of had, no matter whatever it was he was talking about?

Regards ippy

Erm...how has Frank "sold out the very little credibility they once might of had " (sic)

[Robbie]

Who is Frank anyway & what is 'of had'?
Second thoughts, don't bother to answer that.

[Robbie]

OK, I twig "Frank" is the Pope, I didn't realise he used that diminutive.

[Owlswing]

OK, I twig "Frank" is the Pope, I didn't realise he used that diminutive.

I will lay bets, and I don't do it that often, that he doesn't.

[Robbie]

If I knew him, I'd ask him! He might use, 'Franco', he comes from Argentina, but his 'real' first name is 'Jorge', George to us (see, I looked him up courtesy of you starting this thread).  I like 'George' better than 'Franco'.

Erm...how has Frank "sold out the very little credibility they once might of had " (sic)

I put the above quote in from Humph because you may not have seen his post.

[ippy]

Erm...how has Frank "sold out the very little credibility they once might of had " (sic)

As if you didn't know H W.

Regards ippy.

[Robbie]

I don't know! Please tell us. He seems like an alright bloke, for a pope.

[Shaker]

I don't know! Please tell us. He seems like an alright bloke, for a pope.

That, on balance, isn't the most resounding seal of approval, is it now 

[Robbie]

Wasn't meant to be, I only know what I've read & that's recent. I'm not going to start a 'George fan club'  .
I've he has upset some 'conservative' Catholics with some liberal views that appear to contradict traditional teachings but doubt that would bother any on this forum.

Maybe the fact that there is a pope at all is the problem on here. My view is that it's Catholic business, not mine.

It's my intention to ask a liberal Catholic friend a bit about him, I'll see her before Christmas hopefully. We've known eachother since childhood and never really talked about religion as such but she won't mind me throwing the pope into the conversation.

[ippy]

Wasn't meant to be, I only know what I've read & that's recent. I'm not going to start a 'George fan club'  .
I've he has upset some 'conservative' Catholics with some liberal views that appear to contradict traditional teachings but doubt that would bother any on this forum.

Maybe the fact that there is a pope at all is the problem on here. My view is that it's Catholic business, not mine.

It's my intention to ask a liberal Catholic friend a bit about him, I'll see her before Christmas hopefully. We've known eachother since childhood and never really talked about religion as such but she won't mind me throwing the pope into the conversation.

Rob, if you really want to know about the catholic church, you could try YouTube, a debate titled 'Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good In the World', four people in the debate an archbishop John Onaiyekan, Ann Widdecombe, Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens, it's a really good fair debate.

The present pope has taken on the responsibilities of the R C's past record on board by default and not doing anything significant that I've heard of that would in any way make amends for its horrendous misdeeds.

I was there at that debate and can hardly believe it was seven years back.

Regards ippy

[Robbie]

Thanks Ips!

[Humph Warden Bennett]

As if you didn't know H W.

Regards ippy.

I am not RC, so I don't know.

[ippy]

I am not RC, so I don't know.

Even more so, as if you didn't know.

Have a look at the YouTube stuff I've supplied to Rob, I just don't believe anyone that seems to be so conversant with so much information about other religion based detritus, can even hint that they're unaware of R C misdeeds. 

Regards ippy

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Even more so, as if you didn't know.

Have a look at the YouTube stuff I've supplied to Rob, I just don't believe anyone that seems to be so conversant with so much information about other religion based detritus, can even hint that they're unaware of R C misdeeds. 

Regards ippy

Ippy, is this about perverted and/or sadistic priests, is this about heretics being burned, or is this about angels on pinheads?

[ippy]

Ippy, is this about perverted and/or sadistic priests, is this about heretics being burned, or is this about angels on pinheads?

Best go into that YouTube debate, the speakers are far more articulate than I am and no it's a really in depth dismantling of the whole of R C's rotten empire, It's a good listen too, well I think so, from either side of the fence. 

Regards ippy

[Humph Warden Bennett]

So you are relying on a debate from years ago including professional nasty the late Christopher Hitchens, professional lachrymose Stephen Fry, against pantomime baddie Widders, and token ethnic minority Archbishop John, in front of a partisan crowd?

Ceaucescu would have been aquitted had he faced a fair trial. He did not, neither did Widders, or Archbishop John.

[Shaker]

So you are relying on a debate from years ago including professional nasty the late Christopher Hitchens

I do miss him.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I do miss him.

So do I, I remember him as a "solid" man, with hair & beard. His final media appearance, bald, beardless, and his suit hanging off him, was indeed poignant.

[floo]

I am not RC, so I don't know.

Just out of interest, to which brand of Christianity do you belong?

[Robbie]

He's told you a million times he's Orthodox!

[jeremyp]

So you are relying on a debate from years ago including professional nasty the late Christopher Hitchens, professional lachrymose Stephen Fry, against pantomime baddie Widders, and token ethnic minority Archbishop John, in front of a partisan crowd?

Ceaucescu would have been aquitted had he faced a fair trial. He did not, neither did Widders, or Archbishop John.

I watched that debate. The Widdicombe/Archbish combination got their arses handed to them. The partisan crowd thing doesn't wash because the vote was taken before and after the debate and had been found to move substantially in the direction of the atheists.

Your complaints are just sour grapes because your side were fucking useless even accounting for the fact that they were defending the indefensible.

[floo]

He's told you a million times he's Orthodox!

Don't exaggerate! I had forgotten he is an orthodox!!

[ippy]

So you are relying on a debate from years ago including professional nasty the late Christopher Hitchens, professional lachrymose Stephen Fry, against pantomime baddie Widders, and token ethnic minority Archbishop John, in front of a partisan crowd?

Ceaucescu would have been acquitted had he faced a fair trial. He did not, neither did Widders, or Archbishop John.

If on listening to that debate if you still think I'm wrong to take my pov that's fine by me, Stephen Fry isn't that much of a boogeyman.

It wasn't that partisan a whole group of the audience walked out at one point during the debate, the way the debate was going I would guess they were a catholic group, although I don't actually know.

Yes you do get some professional debaters that could convince you that an actual, stood in front of you tin of black paint, is in fact white paint, I'll go with you on that.

Regards ippy

[Robbie]

Don't exaggerate! I had forgotten he is an orthodox!!

Sorry, shouldn't have said it like that.