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Sriram

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« on: December 11, 2017, 02:31:19 PM »
Hi everyone,

I don't know how many of you have read Dan Brown's latest book 'Origins'.   I just finished it.

It discusses precisely what all of us here try to discuss every day.  About Religion and Atheism and technology and futuristic possibilities.

Amazing how much of detailing Dan Brown is capable of and how well he mixes facts with fiction. It is also amazing how well he s able to see a complex subject like religion from completely different perspectives. 

Great guy and a good book! 

Cheers.

Sriram

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Re: Origins
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2017, 02:32:16 PM »
I got as far as Dan Brown. That tells me all I needed to know.
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Re: Origins
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2017, 02:37:36 PM »

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Re: Origins
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 02:40:04 PM »
 ;D
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Re: Origins
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2017, 07:47:56 PM »
For me, the final straw was his characterisation of Temple underground station as being a maze of tunnels.

And as for Leonardo, if his family name was anything it was Sieri. Vinci was the place he came from, To call Leonardo "Da Vinci " is like calling Dwaine "Scunthorpe".
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 08:02:39 PM »
And tell me exactly what's your problem with Dwaine Scunthorpe?
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 09:56:22 PM »
Being pedantic, it's Duane.
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Re: Origins
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 05:25:44 AM »

Sigh!

Almost pathological cynicism and scorn!   ::)

Like typical adolescents many of you seem to take pride in belittling intelligent and renowned people. A show of irreverence and self importance.

Pathetic!
« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 05:47:38 AM by Sriram »

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Re: Origins
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 06:29:02 AM »
Sigh!

Almost pathological cynicism and scorn!   ::)

Like typical adolescents many of you seem to take pride in belittling intelligent and renowned people.
I don't - I'm all for intelligent and renowned people.

This thread is about Dan Brown, though.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 08:59:47 AM »
And tell me exactly what's your problem with Dwaine Scunthorpe?

His surname is Twistleton-Smyth. He is the illegitimate son of the Lord of the Manor of Scunthorpe.

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Being pedantic, it's Duane.

Not on his birth certificate.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 09:15:25 AM »
Well Sririam we will have to disagree.

I haven't read this book - but I did read The DaVinchi code. I'm still trying to re-coup that time.

I think the clue is in the fact that this is classified under fiction.

And if you are looking for a writer who mixes fact and fiction why not try Stephen King's 11/22/63 a damn sight more convincing even with it's totally bonkers time-travel conceit.
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Re: Origins
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2017, 10:14:41 AM »
Sigh!

Almost pathological cynicism and scorn!   ::)

Like typical adolescents many of you seem to take pride in belittling intelligent and renowned people. A show of irreverence and self importance.

Pathetic!

Come on, Sriram,

Show a little maturity and accept that people have different opinions to you. It doesn't mean you have been somehow personally slighted. :)
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Re: Origins
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2017, 01:06:41 PM »
Sigh!

Almost pathological cynicism and scorn!   ::)

Like typical adolescents many of you seem to take pride in belittling intelligent and renowned people. A show of irreverence and self importance.

Pathetic!
Hi Sriram

you've really only confirmed how I have judged you , a typical candidate for this author.

no offence...

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2017, 01:31:35 PM »
And tell me exactly what's your problem with Dwaine Scunthorpe?
there's a thoroughly reprehensible person hiding in Scunthorpe !

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2017, 02:06:17 PM »
That was a fun link. I do admire people who can be witty like that.

Actually I quite enjoyed the Da Vinci Code, but I think that was probably because it was very well read on the audio version with the reader adding that touch of irony to His (or her, but I'm pretty sure it was a he) voice. Also, of course, I knew what to expect.
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Re: Origins
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2017, 02:36:38 PM »



LOL!

Leaving out Robbie...seven people have posted and no one (Susan has made some polite noises, granted) has had anything positive to say about the book or the author.  No one has even read the book, of course!

Typically a group mentality....almost 'religious' in its stand against what the author stands for. 

Dan Brown's writing is exceptional, his detailing is exceptional, his ability to view religion, atheism, science etc. from an equal perspective is exceptional.... his balance is exceptional. 

Maybe that is the problem...the balance. People with extreme views never tolerate balance.  They find it irksome because they can neither agree with it nor fight against it.   :D

Try reading the book....guys.

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM »


LOL!

Leaving out Robbie...seven people have posted and no one (Susan has made some polite noises, granted) has had anything positive to say about the book or the author.  No one has even read the book, of course!

Typically a group mentality....almost 'religious' in its stand against what the author stands for. 

Dan Brown's writing is exceptional, his detailing is exceptional, his ability to view religion, atheism, science etc. from an equal perspective is exceptional.... his balance is exceptional. 

Maybe that is the problem...the balance. People with extreme views never tolerate balance.  They find it irksome because they can neither agree with it nor fight against it.   :D

Try reading the book....guys.

No, the problem is that as many of people who have read one or more of his books think is that he writes ridiculously badly. The review put it better than I could.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2017, 03:07:57 PM »
Leaving out Robbie...seven people have posted and no one (Susan has made some polite noises, granted) has had anything positive to say about the book or the author.  No one has even read the book, of course!
I've no intention of so doing. I suffered through too much of The Da Vinci Code and took a cursory glance at Angels and Demons to see if it was any better. It wasn't. I'm not going to live long enough to read all the good books there are to read without wasting my dwindling time on the dreadful ones. If you want me to scrape together something positive about the man, I could say that he has some interesting plot ideas (although very far from original - The Da Vinci Code is a pretty straightforward rip-off in fictional form of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail by Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh, touted as non-fiction) but his execution of said ideas is atrocious.

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Dan Brown's writing is exceptional
I'm in complete agreement, except by it I mean exceptionally bad to the point of being laughable.

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his detailing is exceptional, his ability to view religion, atheism, science etc. from an equal perspective is exceptional.... his balance is exceptional.
You are aware that he writes fiction, yes?

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Maybe that is the problem [...]
No, the problem is that he's a hack who has made himself a very rich man by churning out tenth-rate potboilers. No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the general public, as someone once correctly said.
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Re: Origins
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2017, 03:11:47 PM »
Come on, Sriram,

Show a little maturity and accept that people have different opinions to you. It doesn't mean you have been somehow personally slighted. :)
Of course he's personally slighted. People who encounter others who don't like what they like pretty usually are.
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2017, 03:20:51 PM »
I've no intention of so doing. I suffered through too much of The Da Vinci Code and took a cursory glance at Angels and Demons to see if it was any better. It wasn't. I'm not going to live long enough to read all the good books there are to read without wasting my dwindling time on the dreadful ones.
I'm in complete agreement, except by it I mean exceptionally bad to the point of being laughable.
You are aware that he writes fiction, yes?
No, the problem is that he's a hack who has made himself a very rich man by churning out tenth-rate potboilers. No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the general public, as someone once correctly said.


Yes...he writes fiction.....but in the background of real issues such as religion and atheism....Christianity and historicity of Jesus...the role of the catholic church....Science and religion... and so on.  All matters that should be of interest to people on this board, whether we agree with him or not.

You have a problem with the money he is making?! That is silly!  You people even accuse Mother Teresa of making money!     

Grow up! 


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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2017, 03:22:45 PM »

Yes...he writes fiction.....but in the background of real issues such as religion and atheism....Christianity and historicity of Jesus...the role of the catholic church....Science and religion... and so on.  All matters that should be of interest to people on this board, whether we agree with him or not.

You have a problem with the money he is making?! That is silly!  You people even accuse Mother Teresa of making money!     

Grow up!


And given the Da Vinci Code is based on a known fraud?

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Re: Origins
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2017, 03:25:58 PM »


Dan Brown's writing is exceptional, his detailing is exceptional, his ability to view religion, atheism, science etc. from an equal perspective is exceptional.... his balance is exceptional. 

Maybe that is the problem...the balance. People with extreme views never tolerate balance.  They find it irksome because they can neither agree with it nor fight against it.   :D

Try reading the book....guys.
Having read The DaVinci Code, I can see no merit in reading any more of his books unless he has changed his style.
Has he?
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2017, 03:26:16 PM »
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You people even accuse Mother Teresa of making money!     

Didn't think this was in dispute. But not really relevant to Dan Brown's writing talents.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.