'What about men?'

[Robbie]

I'm not personally acquainted with Juliet Bindel nor anyone at the Golden Globes, I've only read about them. 

Also I'd never heard of the skater, Tonya Harding, or Nancy Kerrigan but have now read about them. All I can say about that is, from what I read, they seem like a 'right shower'.  I'd no idea the skating world was so brutal.

You appear to have some famous acquaintances. The only feminists I know are friends, family, colleagues - none with a high public profile.

[floo]

Jeremy,

Feminists do not care about racism, any more than feminists care about the disabled.

Feminists care about the XX population, the rest do not matter.

Because the rest of us no not matter, because the rest of us have "privilege".

Don't take my word, ask a feminist.

What a daft post!

[Robbie]

Since when were communal showers humiliation?

They certainly are humiliating if you are forced to have them - though in reality no-one has the right to force you to shower communally. Not many people want to be naked, washing their 'bits', in front of others, plus a teacher, even of the same sex.  I've not experienced it, we had cubicles at my school, but would have refused had the showers been communal & so would most of us.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I'm not personally acquainted with Juliet Bindel nor anyone at the Golden Globes, I've only read about them. 

Also I'd never heard of the skater, Tonya Harding, or Nancy Kerrigan but have now read about them. All I can say about that is, from what I read, they seem like a 'right shower'.  I'd no idea the skating world was so brutal.

You appear to have some famous acquaintances. The only feminists I know are friends, family, colleagues - none with a high public profile.

Julie is a regular contributor to the Graun, and the Indy. She gets slagged for "transphobia", because she considers M to F trans people to be men who have no right to be considered as women (Over to you , Rhea!)

Nancy was assaulted by a thug acting on Tonya's orders. There has never been any suggestion that Nancy was anything other than a fine skater who did not deserve to be assaulted by a thug acting upon a woman's orders.

[Robbie]

I know all that, read about them. Not long ago !

Would like to see the documentary discussed in this article, you've piqued my interest:
https://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/photo-gallery/34087108/image/34087122/Stream-Price-Gold-Netflix

[Rhiannon]

They certainly are humiliating if you are forced to have them - though in reality no-one has the right to force you to shower communally. Not many people want to be naked, washing their 'bits', in front of others, plus a teacher, even of the same sex.  I've not experienced it, we had cubicles at my school, but would have refused had the showers been communal & so would most of us.

I've experienced being made to shower in front of others, the teacher stood there and made sure we left our towels at the door. No choice. This was from the first PE lesson in a scary big school, a bunch of 11 year olds. We couldn't refuse. Punishment for not having the right kit was running around the athletics track in our underwear. State comprehensive in the 80's.

The shower itself isn't the humiliation, it is not having the choice, as you say.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I've experienced being made to shower in front of others, the teacher stood there and made sure we left our towels at the door. No choice. This was from the first PE lesson in a scary big school, a bunch of 11 year olds. We couldn't refuse. Punishment for not having the right kit was running around the athletics track in our underwear. State comprehensive in the 80's.

The shower itself isn't the humiliation, it is not having the choice, as you say.

Same here. Master Bennett gets the same.

Miss Bennett does not.

[Rhiannon]

Same here. Master Bennett gets the same.

Miss Bennett does not.

But that isn't because of gender, it is because of insensitivity and/or stupidity on the part of the teachers (for the record the boys' PE teachers were far more sensitive than the girls' at my school). You are in a position to complain. Have you done so?

[Rhiannon]

Think you might like this, Humph.

https://www.plover.com/rainbowice/baughmanreview.html

[Robbie]

Tell Master Bennett that no-one has the right to make him stand naked in front of others - and back him up! The teacher may make him feel he has to do it but there is no law saying he does. He won't be the only one who feels uncomfortable about it.

We are no longer living in an era where teachers are untouchable icons who cannot be questioned about any practice & parents intimidated.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Think you might like this, Humph.

https://www.plover.com/rainbowice/baughmanreview.html

Hi Rhea

Yes I did enjoy it in a perverse kind of way. It reminded me of a Ch 4 series some years ago, I think it was called "Alternative View" in which persons who took a minority view on what were then current issues had a ten minute platform, such as those who supported fox hunting.

Thanks ;-)

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Tell Master Bennett that no-one has the right to make him stand naked in front of others - and back him up! The teacher may make him feel he has to do it but there is no law saying he does. He won't be the only one who feels uncomfortable about it.

We are no longer living in an era where teachers are untouchable icons who cannot be questioned about any practice & parents intimidated.

Robbie

I think it is better to teach Master Bennett that he has nothing to fear when standing naked in front of his peers.

As for your second paragraph, Miss Bennett's teachers have learned that it is not I whom they have to fear.

[Rhiannon]

Hi Rhea

Yes I did enjoy it in a perverse kind of way. It reminded me of a Ch 4 series some years ago, I think it was called "Alternative View" in which persons who took a minority view on what were then current issues had a ten minute platform, such as those who supported fox hunting.

Thanks ;-)

You read the whole book? Wow, that’s impressive.

[Rhiannon]

Robbie

I think it is better to teach Master Bennett that he has nothing to fear when standing naked in front of his peers.

Rather than teach him that is body is private and his to choose to show or not?

[wigginhall]

Well, yes, a kid might be afraid of standing naked.   It seems a natural reaction to me.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.bhf.org.uk/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2018/january/fewer-women-would-die-from-heart-attacks-if-given-same-treatments-as-men

[Robbie]

Rather than teach him that is body is private and his to choose to show or not?

Yes, that's right.
What Wigginhall said too.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

You read the whole book? Wow, that’s impressive.

I read the page that was posted.

Even men can do that.

:-)

[floo]

We were not forced to have a shower at my all girls school in the 60s, very few of us had one, I certainly didn't. I have never in my life had a communal shower, or would wish to do so.

[Robbie]

It seems an outdated practice, used to be very common in boarding schools in past times but now most schools have proper, modern showers with cubicles. I showered at school sometimes in the 70s if it was very hot but generally waited until I got home, as did most of us, especially if games was last period in the school day (I didn't exert myself that much anyway, tried to hide or had an excuse to miss games which I hated).

Rhiannon that's a very interesting article about heart disease.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Yes folks, more sexual discrimination.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-42621029

(But don't you know that its different for girls?)

(Acknowledgement to Joe Jackson)

[Rhiannon]

Yes folks, more sexual discrimination.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-42621029

(But don't you know that its different for girls?)

(Acknowledgement to Joe Jackson)

How the fuck is this about gender discrimination?

[Rhiannon]

Some more about gender discrimination in sentencing.

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/62446/1/__lse.ac.uk_storage_LIBRARY_Secondary_libfile_shared_repository_Content_Horder,%20J_Sexual%20infidelity_Horder_Sexual%20infidelity_2015.pdf

[Nearly Sane]

Yes folks, more sexual discrimination.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-42621029

(But don't you know that its different for girls?)

(Acknowledgement to Joe Jackson)

Your problems with the female of the species has removed your ability to make any logical point.

[Robbie]

I don't understand a lot of what you have come out with on this thread, Humph, citing journalists and ice skaters, Golden globe winners, none of whom you know; the latest article you posted about the woman helping her very sick husband to die & walking free from court has absolutely nothing to do with gender discrimination.