After Death

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Its been a long time since I wrote about Near Death Experiences...or After Death Experiences.

Many people of different ages, races, communities, sex, religion etc. have NDE's. This has probably been happening for centuries but it was Dr.Raymond Moody who took it seriously in the 1970's.  While talking to patients who had been pronounced dead (due to accidents, heart attacks etc) but who 'came back' alive after some time, Moody found that they had certain experiences which were common.

1. They found themselves floating above their body and saw their body from above. They barely recognized it but for certain clothing or jewellery.

2. They were confused and realized that they were dead. There was no fear. Many of them felt peace.

3. In some cases dead relatives came to help them out of the body.

4. Some of them went through a tunnel with a bright light at the other end.

5. Some of them had a life review in which they felt all the good and bad they had done.

6. Some people saw a bright light that approached them and spoke to them. It was full of love.

7. Some of them saw people waiting to be reincarnated.

8. Some of them saw nurses and doctors rushing to the body or operating on it. They could hear conversations.

9. They were then told that they had to go back to their lives on earth and they felt themselves being drawn down into their body.

10. They felt a regret on being back in their body. Many of the scenes they saw and heard while dead, were confirmed by the doctors and nurses.   

11. The experience changed their lives and they lost fear of death and felt a purpose in life.


There are literally thousands of cases.

Dr. Sam Parnia of Southampton university hospital has taken up research on this phenomenon as a project.  He has confirmed that though they are called 'Near death'....they are actually After Death experiences because he has noted that all medical symptoms of death were met.

For those interested read here

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/near-death-expe/

For case studies check here..

https://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes.html

https://www.near-death.com/

Cheers.

Sriram

[Walter]

Hi everyone,

Its been a long time since I wrote about Near Death Experiences...or After Death Experiences.

Many people of different ages, races, communities, sex, religion etc. have NDE's. This has probably been happening for centuries but it was Dr.Raymond Moody who took it seriously in the 1970's.  While talking to patients who had been pronounced dead (due to accidents, heart attacks etc) but who 'came back' alive after some time, Moody found that they had certain experiences which were common.

1. They found themselves floating above their body and saw their body from above. They barely recognized it but for certain clothing or jewellery.

2. They were confused and realized that they were dead. There was no fear. Many of them felt peace.

3. In some cases dead relatives came to help them out of the body.

4. Some of them went through a tunnel with a bright light at the other end.

5. Some of them had a life review in which they felt all the good and bad they had done.

6. Some people saw a bright light that approached them and spoke to them. It was full of love.

7. Some of them saw people waiting to be reincarnated.

8. Some of them saw nurses and doctors rushing to the body or operating on it. They could hear conversations.

9. They were then told that they had to go back to their lives on earth and they felt themselves being drawn down into their body.

10. They felt a regret on being back in their body. Many of the scenes they saw and heard while dead, were confirmed by the doctors and nurses.   

11. The experience changed their lives and they lost fear of death and felt a purpose in life.


There are literally thousands of cases.

Dr. Sam Parnia of Southampton university hospital has taken up research on this phenomenon as a project.  He has confirmed that though they are called 'Near death'....they are actually After Death experiences because he has noted that all medical symptoms of death were met.

For those interested read here

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/near-death-expe/

For case studies check here..

https://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes.html

https://www.near-death.com/

Cheers.

Sriram

the last time I tried to discus my own NDE with you , you completely rejected it because it didn't fit with your preconceived ideas
You're not worthy !

[floo]

Hi everyone,

Its been a long time since I wrote about Near Death Experiences...or After Death Experiences.

Many people of different ages, races, communities, sex, religion etc. have NDE's. This has probably been happening for centuries but it was Dr.Raymond Moody who took it seriously in the 1970's.  While talking to patients who had been pronounced dead (due to accidents, heart attacks etc) but who 'came back' alive after some time, Moody found that they had certain experiences which were common.

1. They found themselves floating above their body and saw their body from above. They barely recognized it but for certain clothing or jewellery.

2. They were confused and realized that they were dead. There was no fear. Many of them felt peace.

3. In some cases dead relatives came to help them out of the body.

4. Some of them went through a tunnel with a bright light at the other end.

5. Some of them had a life review in which they felt all the good and bad they had done.

6. Some people saw a bright light that approached them and spoke to them. It was full of love.

7. Some of them saw people waiting to be reincarnated.

8. Some of them saw nurses and doctors rushing to the body or operating on it. They could hear conversations.

9. They were then told that they had to go back to their lives on earth and they felt themselves being drawn down into their body.

10. They felt a regret on being back in their body. Many of the scenes they saw and heard while dead, were confirmed by the doctors and nurses.   

11. The experience changed their lives and they lost fear of death and felt a purpose in life.


There are literally thousands of cases.

Dr. Sam Parnia of Southampton university hospital has taken up research on this phenomenon as a project.  He has confirmed that though they are called 'Near death'....they are actually After Death experiences because he has noted that all medical symptoms of death were met.

For those interested read here

https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/near-death-expe/

For case studies check here..

https://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes.html

https://www.near-death.com/

Cheers.

Sriram

Whatever images a person experiences during an NDE is all to do with the brain beginning to shut down, there is nothing supernatural about it, imo.

I don't know why the title of this thread is 'after death', as the person having a NDE is not dead but revives to tell the tale.

[Walter]

Whatever images a person experiences during an NDE is all to do with the brain beginning to shut down, there is nothing supernatural about it, imo.

I don't know why the title of this thread is 'after death', as the person having a NDE is not dead but revives to tell the tale.

i can agree with that 👍

[Nearly Sane]

Whatever images a person experiences during an NDE is all to do with the brain beginning to shut down, there is nothing supernatural about it, imo.

I don't know why the title of this thread is 'after death', as the person having a NDE is not dead but revives to tell the tale.

Given Sriram's posts, he wouldn't be claiming it as supernatural either. I think rather your point is that it isn't anything other than delusion.

[Sriram]

the last time I tried to discus my own NDE with you , you completely rejected it because it didn't fit with your preconceived ideas
You're not worthy !

Walter....I am not sure what you said and what I replied, but I am  sure I had no intention of rejecting your experience.  BTW, I am not an expert to decide on any case or accept it or reject it.

So...go ahead and share your experience if you want to... 

[Walter]

Walter....I am not sure what you said and what I replied, but I am  sure I had no intention of rejecting your experience.  BTW, I am not an expert to decide on any case or accept it or reject it.

So...go ahead and share your experience if you want to...

thanks but no thanks, not this time .
I'm quite happy with the research I did over many years to explain my experience .
Turns out it's all quite natural and I'm ok with that .

[Sriram]

People generally seem to take NDE's casually....like UFO sightings.... one of those things to be ignored.

Actually, NDE's are one of the most important 'discoveries' in modern times. IMO much more important than cosmological and sub atomic discoveries. Certainly much more relevant to our personal lives.

I am surprised people are not enthused by it. Mental blocks, comfort zones...!   

[floo]

People generally seem to take NDE's casually....like UFO sightings.... one of those things to be ignored.

Actually, NDE's are one of the most important 'discoveries' in modern times. IMO much more important than cosmological and sub atomic discoveries. Certainly much more relevant to our personal lives.

I am surprised people are not enthused by it. Mental blocks, comfort zones...!   

Why, relatively few people experience NDEs?

[Enki]

People generally seem to take NDE's casually....like UFO sightings.... one of those things to be ignored.

Actually, NDE's are one of the most important 'discoveries' in modern times. IMO much more important than cosmological and sub atomic discoveries. Certainly much more relevant to our personal lives.

I am surprised people are not enthused by it. Mental blocks, comfort zones...!   

I don't think NDEs should be ignored, and you are welcome to your idea that they are one of the most important 'discoveries' in modern times. I don't agree with you, obviously, but that's by the way. I don't see any point in going over old ground yet again.

Just one aside. You mentioned Sam Parnia. You do realise that Sam Parnia's Aware study did not come up with any objective evidence for verifying OBEs at all, indeed, the only evidence that accrued was negative. Even, on the anecdotal front, out of 2060 cardiac arrests, only 140 people could be interviewed(the others didn't survive), and after interviewing 101 of these, 9 patients were identified as having an NDE, and out of these only one had an NDE experience that could be verified for accuracy, and even this is suspect because of the looseness of the protocols, which Parnia, himself, accepted.

[Sriram]

Why, relatively few people experience NDEs?

What do you mean 'relatively few'? There are thousands.....

First of all it requires a very specific requirement....that the person should have met with some fatal situation like an accident or heart attack. That is itself rare.

Secondly that person should be revived and should come back to life. That is rarer still.

Thirdly that person should be mentally reconciled to the situation and should be willing to talk to someone about it.

Finally, the person he talks to should be a psychologist who writes books about such matters.  How likely is that?!

All these are not common every day occurrences, especially in cities where such studies are done. If it happens in remote villages and towns no one is likely to ever know. 

In fact, it could be a matter of common occurrence which is why spirituality and ideas of an after-life probably arose in the first place.

[floo]

What do you mean 'relatively few'? There are thousands.....

First of all it requires a very specific requirement....that the person should have met with some fatal situation like an accident or heart attack. That is itself rare.

Secondly that person should be revived and should come back to life. That is rarer still.

Thirdly that person should be mentally reconciled to the situation and should be willing to talk to someone about it.

Finally, the person he talks to should be a psychologist who writes books about such matters.  How likely is that?!

All these are not common every day occurrences, especially in cities where such studies are done. If it happens in remote villages and towns no one is likely to ever know. 

In fact, it could be a matter of common occurrence which is why spirituality and ideas of an after-life probably arose in the first place.

As I said relatively few people experience NDEs, considering how huge the population of this planet is. It might be an interesting research project for a student, but not a very important one, imo.

[Maeght]

Yes, NDEs should be studied and not ignored. If those studies provide evidence that some part of us survives death then that would of course be very significant. That isn't the current situation though.

[floo]

Yes, NDEs should be studied and not ignored. If those studies provide evidence that some part of us survives death then that would of course be very significant. That isn't the current situation though.

I don't see how any study of NDEs could show that some part of us survives death as those who experience them aren't dead.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, NDEs should be studied and not ignored. If those studies provide evidence that some part of us survives death then that would of course be very significant. That isn't the current situation though.

Not actually sure how any of the studies carried out would show that. They seem to concentrate on the out of body aspect and that wouldn't in theory be just explainable by there being a past death experience,  however that is defined.

[Walter]

Not actually sure how any of the studies carried out would show that. They seem to concentrate on the out of body aspect and that wouldn't in theory be just explainable by there being a past death experience,  however that is defined.

in my case the experience lasted for a period of about 3 days during which time my skull and face and pelvis had been operated on without my knowledge   Duringthose 3 days I experienced the usually reported phenomenon
It was returning from the intense bright light that I became aware of my real surroundings

[Harrowby Hall]

in my case the experience lasted for a period of about 3 days during which time my skull and face and pelvis had been operated on without my knowledge   Duringthose 3 days I experienced the usually reported phenomenon
It was returning from the intense bright light that I became aware of my real surroundings

And during that time, presumably, you were maintained in a comatose condition by a cocktail of anaesthetic and analgesic drugs which, individually or collectively, may well have had hallucinogenic and other neurological properties.

[Sriram]

Yes, NDEs should be studied and not ignored. If those studies provide evidence that some part of us survives death then that would of course be very significant. That isn't the current situation though.

Well...people world over have kept up the quest for gravity waves, Higgs boson, Einstein's many predictions on relativity, evolution and so on, over many decades.  Doesn't happen in a day!

People are continuing to persist with research on Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

If people can spend so much of time, money and effort  on such matters, surely NDE's deserve more attention and time....though it is much more complex given the nature of the phenomenon.  It shouldn't be a very quick and impatient....'well..we tried it and it doesn't work...nothing there folks!'

If people are dismissive of it dubbing it as 'religious mumbo jumbo'....nothing much is likely to happen.  Its all about attitude!   

[Sriram]

As I said relatively few people experience NDEs, considering how huge the population of this planet is. It might be an interesting research project for a student, but not a very important one, imo.

  Well...you are a person who talks of a ghostly monk walking through your kitchen, strange faces appearing in family photos... and then turn around and say...'there is probably a natural explanation'.

What can I say... about your opinion!     

[floo]

  Well...you are a person who talks of a ghostly monk walking through your kitchen, strange faces appearing in family photos... and then turn around and say...'there is probably a natural explanation'.

What can I say... about your opinion!     

I still think there is a natural explanation for all the weird things I have experienced during my life, whatever you think. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I still think there is a natural explanation for all the weird things I have experienced during my life, whatever you think.

I question the usefulness outside philosophical polemics, of the word natural. I must say though I like the word weird.

[Walter]

And during that time, presumably, you were maintained in a comatose condition by a cocktail of anaesthetic and analgesic drugs which, individually or collectively, may well have had hallucinogenic and other neurological properties.

unfortunately for me this happened at a time before induced comas were possible and from talking to the team who worked on me some time later , for three days they struggled to keep me alive 
I don't really want to go into detail but the injuries I mention were not the major ones
Apparently death was an option during those three days

[ippy]

unfortunately for me this happened at a time before induced comas were possible and from talking to the team who worked on me some time later , for three days they struggled to keep me alive 
I don't really want to go into detail but the injuries I mention were not the major ones
Apparently death was an option during those three days

You never know perhaps writing this post is only a N D E of yours Walter and you didn't actually survive,,, now with a following X-files sound track? 

Regards if you're there Walter,,,, Walter,,,,,,Walter? ippy.

[jeremyp]

What do you mean 'relatively few'? There are thousands.....

have you got any idea of how many people come close to death every day?

First of all it requires a very specific requirement....that the person should have met with some fatal situation like an accident or heart attack. That is itself rare.

No it isn't. I confidently predict that the death rate is 100%

Secondly that person should be revived and should come back to life. That is rarer still.

Thirdly that person should be mentally reconciled to the situation and should be willing to talk to someone about it.

Finally, the person he talks to should be a psychologist who writes books about such matters.  How likely is that?!

All these are not common every day occurrences, especially in cities where such studies are done. If it happens in remote villages and towns no one is likely to ever know. 

In fact, it could be a matter of common occurrence which is why spirituality and ideas of an after-life probably arose in the first place.

Given that there are seven billion people on Earth and around 200,000 of them die every single day, your argument seems somewhat bollocks.

[Walter]

You never know perhaps writing this post is only a N D E of yours Walter and you didn't actually survive,,, now with a following X-files sound track? 

Regards if you're there Walter,,,, Walter,,,,,,Walter? ippy.

some people think I'm not all there!
But I think I'm here , wherever that may be ?