Nonsense merchants appointed

[Nearly Sane]

Just why?


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15886294.Would_you_Adam_and_Eve_it_____meet_the_creationist_in_the_classroom/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Just why?


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15886294.Would_you_Adam_and_Eve_it_____meet_the_creationist_in_the_classroom/

It seems that Greer and McRae are against religious representatives and it is convenient that the humanists have tried and tested whingeomatic devices to cope with a creationist.

One of these devices is to complain of privilege. This person doesn't seem to have any more privilege than ainyone else.

Secular humanist posturing.

[Nearly Sane]

The legal requirement to have religious representatives is the definition of privilege.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The legal requirement to have religious representatives is the definition of privilege.

What other requirements in terms of membership are there though. Or is religion unique here?

[Gordon]

It seems that Greer and McRae are against religious representatives and it is convenient that the humanists have tried and tested whingeomatic devices to cope with a creationist.

One of these devices is to complain of privilege. This person doesn't seem to have any more privilege than ainyone else.

Secular humanist posturing.

Nope - the issue here is with the unelected having the same governance role as the elected: it is undemocratic privilege and this needs to be addressed.

If religious groups, or indeed any other groups that define themselves as representing any particular perspective, want to have a role in local politics then let them stand for election on a manifesto that sets out their particular perspective and let the electorate award them their place, or not.

 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nope - the issue here is with the unelected having the same governance role as the elected: it is undemocratic privilege and this needs to be addressed.

If religious groups, or indeed any other groups that define themselves as representing any particular perspective, want to have a role in local politics then let them stand for election on a manifesto that sets out their particular perspective and let the electorate award them their place, or not.

So why is this person being a creationist being rolled out as well?

Which ever way you cut it this is secular humanist posturing.

Do you know that the religious representatives are the only unelected people?

Are there for example people from unions or head teachers? Who elected them.

I'm beginning to get the reek of secular humanist special pleading here.

[Nearly Sane]

What other requirements in terms of membership are there though. Or is religion unique here?

   Being unique isn't tge definition of privileged. Being given representation for the sake of it is.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

   Being unique isn't tge definition of privileged. Being given representation for the sake of it is.

In your thread title you mentioned nonsense merchants in the plural. That cannot be the singular doctor. Who are you referring to here?

[Nearly Sane]

In your thread title you mentioned nonsense merchants in the plural. That cannot be the singular doctor. Who are you referring to here?

Ah so now you have accepted that the religious are privileged here, we can move on to something else. Hurrah!


The 'good' doctor, you also appear to agree is a nonsense merchant, so again hurrah. Given that the view us a religious one and given the privilege that you appear to have accepted then the plural applies.

[Gordon]

In your thread title you mentioned nonsense merchants in the plural. That cannot be the singular doctor. Who are you referring to here?

There was a previous issue in Scotland of creationists distributing material in a primary school - which was stopped and led to the removal of teachers, so there is clearly some form of policy regarding creationists in terms of direct access to children. So it does seem perverse to give them access to local politics involving education unless, of course, they get themselves elected on the basis of their religious views.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10307520/Head-teachers-removed-in-row-over-creationist-church.html
 

[Aruntraveller]

We love the scientists and we respect them very much actually, but they were not there from the beginning so they don’t know everything. They are limited, as I said, not always telling the truth.”

My bold in the quote.

How strange, neither was he. This is unutterable bollocks.

[Rhiannon]

I’m still on my first coffee if the day so my brain isn’t really awake yet, but does that article say this committee is made up of three people? In which case he makes up a third of it.

[floo]

Nope - the issue here is with the unelected having the same governance role as the elected: it is undemocratic privilege and this needs to be addressed.

If religious groups, or indeed any other groups that define themselves as representing any particular perspective, want to have a role in local politics then let them stand for election on a manifesto that sets out their particular perspective and let the electorate award them their place, or not.

Agreed.

[Nearly Sane]

I’m still on my first coffee if the day so my brain isn’t really awake yet, but does that article say this committee is made up of three people? In which case he makes up a third of it.

Not quite, though it could be read that way. The committee will be larger but the council are required to appoint three religious reps

[Rhiannon]

Not quite, though it could be read that way. The committee will be larger but the council are required to appoint three religious reps

Yeah, just re-read it and googled the committee. There’s thirty-odd members.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There was a previous issue in Scotland of creationists distributing material in a primary school - which was stopped and led to the removal of teachers, so there is clearly some form of policy regarding creationists in terms of direct access to children. So it does seem perverse to give them access to local politics involving education unless, of course, they get themselves elected on the basis of their religious views.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10307520/Head-teachers-removed-in-row-over-creationist-church.html

Again, are any other people or groups apart from religious people privileged by having an ensured place on the committee? Teachers, parents, school governors, unions, County council employees?

If so the special pleading is going on.

The real beef here is that secular humanists don't want opposition to a central tenet of belief. The central importance of evolution in the freedom of people from religion. Is that enough to exclude a creationist from a committee? No.....and I speak as a theistic evolutionist.

[Nearly Sane]

Again, are any other people or groups apart from religious people privileged by having an ensured place on the committee? Teachers, parents, school governors, unions, County council employees?

If so the special pleading is going on.

The real beef here is that secular humanists don't want opposition to a central tenet of belief. The central importance of evolution in the freedom of people from religion. Is that enough to exclude a creationist from a committee? No.....and I speak as a theistic evolutionist.

Saying that other people might be privileged isn't a justification for privilege. Religion is privileged here.

[Rhiannon]

The make up of the committee is here.

The religious are regarded as needing more representation than either parents or teachers.

http://ecas.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/ViewSelectedTerms.asp?c=P62AFQDXZLZ3UTDX

[Gordon]

Again, are any other people or groups apart from religious people privileged by having an ensured place on the committee? Teachers, parents, school governors, unions, County council employees?

If so the special pleading is going on.

The real beef here is that secular humanists don't want opposition to a central tenet of belief. The central importance of evolution in the freedom of people from religion. Is that enough to exclude a creationist from a committee? No.....and I speak as a theistic evolutionist.

As far as I know these non-elected places are in relation to the education aspect, and not the overall council business. From a petition to change this.

Calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to bring forward legislative proposals to repeal Section 124 of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973, as amended by Section 31 of the Local Government etc. (Scotland) Act 1994.

This would end the legal obligation on local authorities to appoint three unelected religious representatives to sit on their education committees.

http://www.parliament.scot/gettinginvolved/petitions/PE01498

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As far as I know these non-elected places are in relation to the education aspect, and not the overall council business. From a petition to change this.

Yes...and are the religious places on the education committee the only non elected ones?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Saying that other people might be privileged isn't a justification for privilege. Religion is privileged here.

....and religious....which if there are other groups so privileged would be the real complaint but smuggled in under the cover of something vaguely legitimate.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The make up of the committee is here.

The religious are regarded as needing more representation than either parents or teachers.

http://ecas.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/ViewSelectedTerms.asp?c=P62AFQDXZLZ3UTDX

Is that open to non southlanarkshire residents? Or is every antitheist now a South lanarkshirian?

[Rhiannon]

As a parent I’d be deeply concerned if either teachers or parents were not represented on education committees. Teachers deliver education and see what is needed and parents are the voice for the children that are educated. It’s hardly ‘privilege’ to for them to have a voice as without teachers and families there is no education.

What role does religion play in education?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As a parent I’d be deeply concerned if either teachers or parents were not represented on education committees. Teachers deliver education and see what is needed and parents are the voice for the children that are educated. It’s hardly ‘privilege’ to for them to have a voice as without teachers and families there is no education.

What role does religion play in education?

Possibly the volume of church founded schools.
What is your view of academy chains who have or are removing parental government from their schools?

[Rhiannon]

Possibly the volume of church founded schools.
What is your view of academy chains who have or are removing parental government from their schools?

This isn’t discussing academy dickishness, it’s discussing religious privilege. Sorry, but what role does religion play in education today?