Nonsense merchants appointed

[Walt Zingmatilder]

This isn’t discussing academy dickishness, it’s discussing religious privilege. Sorry, but what role does religion play in education today?

It's discussing a situation in Southlanarkshire that looked liked religious privileged but has turned out to be about religious presence. There is the double turdpolish of using creationism to promote anti religion.

What has secular humanism got to do with religion.? would be the more apt question.

[Nearly Sane]

It's discussing a situation in Southlanarkshire that looked liked religious privileged but has turned out to be about religious presence. There is the double turdpolish of using creationism to promote anti religion.

What has secular humanism got to do with religion.? would be the more apt question.

Religious presence that is there because of privileging it specifically.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Religious presence that is there because of privileging it specifically.

Ah, you mean religious privilege as opposed to just privilege. Again Sane are there any other groups or categories that are similarly privileged a place or places on this committee?

If there are then the only important feature is religion.

So sane is this about religion or privilege or religion privilege which is somehow speshul.

[Nearly Sane]

Ah, you mean religious privilege as opposed to just privilege. Again Sane are there any other groups or categories that are similarly privileged a place or places on this committee?

If there are then the only important feature is religion.

So sane is this about religion or privilege or religion privilege which is somehow speshul.

Again it doesn't matter if there are other privileges. Good to see you are back at accepting this is religious privilege.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Again it doesn't matter if there are other privileges. Good to see you are back at accepting this is religious privilege.

If there are other privileges then this isn't really about privilege Sane. This is about religion.

The very term religious privilege is a linguistic travesty in this case and a special pleading and piggybacking antireligion on the back of the word privilege because anti religion is too weak a complaint. Use of the notion of privilege is a disguise.

[Nearly Sane]

If there are other privileges then this isn't really about privilege Sane. This is about religion.

The very term religious privilege is a linguistic travesty and a special pleading and piggybacking antireligion on the back of the word privilege because anti religion is too weak a complaint. Use of the notion of privilege is a disguise.

No, you would be using a classic tu quoque fallacy here. If privilege like this is wrong then you would be supporting for calling it to be removed. It's religious privilege in thus case because the members have to be religious.

[Rhiannon]

I’ve looked and can’t find a similarly privileged position for secularists on the committee.

Remind me which group is getting special favours again?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, you would be using a classic tu quoque fallacy here. If privilege like this is wrong then you would be supporting for calling it to be removed. It's religious privilege in thus case because the members have to be religious.

To single out religious privilege as opposed to any other privilege is special pleading. Sane.
You can't avoid that.

If pointing out one fallacy creates another fallacy then We cannot put much store into The great antitheist fallacy bonanza whackoff trotted out on these boards can we Sane. Ha Ha.

[Rhiannon]

It’s important to look in context. Parents play a part in education. Teachers play a part in education.

What part does religion play?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I’ve looked and can’t find a similarly privileged position for secularists on the committee.

I understand there are 33 posts.
Perhaps the petition should be to include a secular humanist post rather than eliminate opposition to a secular humanist central tenet of faith.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It’s important to look in context. Parents play a part in education. Teachers play a part in education.

What part does religion play?

Many schools are church foundations and this is the education resources committee  of SouthLanarkshire.

[Nearly Sane]

To single out religious privilege as opposed to any other privilege is special pleading. Sane.
You can't avoid that.

If pointing out one fallacy creates another fallacy then We cannot put much store into The great antitheist fallacy bonanza whackoff trotted out on these boards can we Sane. Ha Ha.

No, it isn't special pleading as no one is saying only religious privilege would be wrong.   For you, logic appears to be a big closed book in a big closed safe in a big closed room in a big closed house on an island on the other side of the world.

[Nearly Sane]

I understand there are 33 posts.
Perhaps the petition should be to include a secular humanist post rather than eliminate opposition to a secular humanist central tenet of faith.

what on earth are you talking about? What secular humanist 'tenet of faith'? Who are the secular humanists you are referring to?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

what on earth are you talking about? What secular humanist 'tenet of faith'? Who are the secular humanists you are referring to?

It is obvious from Macraes intervention that Dr Iskander being a creationist offends the Humanists.
How does he offend the humanists? He does not believe in evolution.
Why might that matter to a humanist who's faith is basically freedom from religion? Answer Humanists see evolution as removing the need for God.

Therefore according to the Scottish Herald this whole hoo har is a secular humanist concoction.

Now, calling non believers everywhere bothered by Dr Iskander. Have the cojones to admit that this is a religious thing and nothing to do with privilege as such. Say after me...Vlad......I admit I have made this a privilege thing when you could see right through it.........Thank you

[Rhiannon]

I understand there are 33 posts.
Perhaps the petition should be to include a secular humanist post rather than eliminate opposition to a secular humanist central tenet of faith.

Why one, when religion gets three? What’s so special about religion?

[Aruntraveller]

Why one, when religion gets three? What’s so special about religion?

Well there's more than one religion, obvs!

They can all get to put their contradictory views forward so that there is less confusion about "The Truth" !

[Nearly Sane]

It is obvious from Macraes intervention that Dr Iskander being a creationist offends the Humanists.
How does he offend the humanists? He does not believe in evolution.
Why might that matter to a humanist who's faith is basically freedom from religion? Answer Humanists see evolution as removing the need for God.

Therefore according to the Scottish Herald this whole hoo har is a secular humanist concoction.

Now, calling non believers everywhere bothered by Dr Iskander. Have the cojones to admit that this is a religious thing and nothing to do with privilege as such. Say after me...Vlad......I admit I have made this a privilege thing when you could see right through it.........Thank you

Evolution is not a matter of faith.

[Rhiannon]

Many schools are church foundations and this is the education resources committee  of SouthLanarkshire.

So religion has a say over schools that aren’t religiously founded? And if those ‘religiously founded’ schools, how many are state funded? I’m thinking ‘all of them’ if they are run by the council. So the responsibility if religion to run state educational establishments is over.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Why one, when religion gets three? What’s so special about religion?

Alright, three.
I told you what is special about religion vis a vis an education resource committee. Many schools are church foundations.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So religion has a say over schools that aren’t religiously founded? And if those ‘religiously founded’ schools, how many are state funded? I’m thinking ‘all of them’ if they are run by the council. So the responsibility if religion to run state educational establishments is over.

Arrangements concerning foundation and funding are complicated and there will have been at councilisation of schools several agreements to ameliorate a straight land and property and pedagogical grab. Hence religious involvement.

Of course nothing is set in stone and arrangements change locally and hopefully by agreement.

In this case there seems to be a bit of hoo har by the Humanists to promote certain campaigns by using extremists to tar all religionists, the "in this day and age" bollocks among them.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Evolution is not a matter of faith.

No, but that it somehow aids atheism/humanist cause of removing religion IS. Why on earth do you think the secular humanists are so exercised.

[Nearly Sane]

No, but that it somehow aids atheism/humanist cause of removing religion IS. Why on earth do you think the secular humanists are so exercised.

Well I am  'exercised' because of giving the religious the special privilege.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Well I 'exercised' because of giving the religious the special privilege.

Ah, the introduction of the word special....now that we think some privileges might be OK......

Your exercised because it's religion however please read what I've said about religious foundation.

[Gordon]

In this case there seems to be a bit of hoo har by the Humanists to promote certain campaigns by using extremists to tar all religionists, the "in this day and age" bollocks among them.

Not really: the concern involves only those who have a privileged default influence on wider local education policy by dint of their religious role.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Not really: the concern involves only those who have a privileged default influence on wider local education policy by dint of their religious role.

Why then does the article in the Herald mention creationism and 'this day and age?' Why are the other religious representatives not mentioned? This is not it seems the reasonable complaint you are trying to polish.