Author Topic: Fun with flags (Read 2925 times)

Nearly Sane · « **on:** January 24, 2018, 03:52:38 PM »

After hipstergate, flaggate! There are times when Scottish politics gives me the dry boak.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42803031

Anchorman · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2018, 06:25:23 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 24, 2018, 03:52:38 PM

After hipstergate, flaggate! There are times when Scottish politics gives me the dry boak.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42803031

Twas ever thus, though.
Flag waving has been a sad sight at Old Firm games for too long - even though none of them wereactually Scottish flags.
Today's storm in a shortbread tin was juast that - since the monarch was quite happy to see the Lion Rampant (part of her standard in Scotland) replace the butchers apron as far back as 2009.
I dunno why it became such a stushie today...except that Ruth davidson opened her mouth and put her foot in it as per usual.

jakswan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2018, 07:54:04 PM »

Vexillology is fun.

Anchorman · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2018, 08:37:21 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on January 24, 2018, 07:54:04 PM

Vexillology is fun.

Well, you'll like what 'Eck has to say on the matter...and possibly wonder why the English based Tory press dragged it up today, when the policy, approved by the queen, has been in place for eight years?

http://www.alexsalmond.scot/press-releases/2018/1/24/flag-flying-policy

jakswan · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2018, 09:08:44 PM »

Quote from: Anchorman on January 24, 2018, 08:37:21 PM

Well, you'll like what 'Eck has to say on the matter...and possibly wonder why the English based Tory press dragged it up today, when the policy, approved by the queen, has been in place for eight years?

http://www.alexsalmond.scot/press-releases/2018/1/24/flag-flying-policy

Sadly what the Russia Today poodle has to say is of little interest, but overall looks like a bit of fake news, which is never good.

Anchorman · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on January 24, 2018, 09:08:44 PM

Sadly what the Russia Today poodle has to say is of little interest, but overall looks like a bit of fake news, which is never good.

Do you dispute the point that Elizabeth Windsor sanctioned the flying of the Lion Rampant - which has marked both the royal standard and Scottish sovriegnty since the time of William 'the Lion' in the thirteenth century - rather than the Union flag, which has nothing to do with royalty?

jakswan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2018, 11:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Anchorman on January 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM

Do you dispute the point that Elizabeth Windsor sanctioned the flying of the Lion Rampant - which has marked both the royal standard and Scottish sovriegnty since the time of William 'the Lion' in the thirteenth century - rather than the Union flag, which has nothing to do with royalty?

I honestly could not a give a flying fuk.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2018, 01:15:04 AM »

Quote from: jakswan on January 24, 2018, 11:12:04 PM

I honestly could not a give a flying fuk.

Except for a sad ad hominem to decide Salmond is lying here

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2018, 07:57:04 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 24, 2018, 03:52:38 PM

After hipstergate, flaggate! There are times when Scottish politics gives me the dry boak.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42803031

Has there ever been a more pointless story.

Firstly because getting exercised about what flags get run up any given flagpole at any given time is the preserve of the jingoists and petty nationalists and we have far, far more important things to deal with.

Secondly because this change (for those sad enough to care about such things) happened years ago.

If you have a flag-pole it seems appropriate for it to be used for all sorts of purposes throughout the year, whether flying national or EU flags, flags that give support to minority groups etc (gay rainbow) and all sorts of other uses in between. Anyone who holds hard and fast rules about what flags should, and should not, be allowed to be flown and when really does need to get a life.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2018, 08:08:08 AM »

The priest of a church not far from where I live used to fly the flag of Sinn Fein and it caused a riot.

Astonishing that nearly 100 years later people still give a shit about such things.

Anchorman · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2018, 09:00:45 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on January 25, 2018, 08:08:08 AM

The priest of a church not far from where I live used to fly the flag of Sinn Fein and it caused a riot.

Astonishing that nearly 100 years later people still give a shit about such things.

Go to any Glasgow Rangers or Celtic game and you'll see how much they care about such things - unfortunately

ProfessorDavey · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2018, 09:47:02 AM »

Quote from: Anchorman on January 25, 2018, 09:00:45 AM

Go to any Glasgow Rangers or Celtic game and you'll see how much they care about such things - unfortunately

Indeed - and that is the problem - flags become politicised, which is bad, and weaponised which is worse.

jakswan · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2018, 11:27:33 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 25, 2018, 01:15:04 AM

Except for a sad ad hominem to decide Salmond is lying here

I think the fake news was that Salmond was misrepresented.

Gordon · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2018, 09:50:54 AM »

The Wail now concedes it was wrong and apologises.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42830255

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2018, 04:35:33 PM »

And yet Ruth Davidson has not apologised.

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #15 on:** January 26, 2018, 06:06:32 PM »

Fly the flag of Scotland within Scotland's borders, fly the flag of England within England's borders.

Play Scotland the Brave at Scottish events, and play Jerusalem at English events.

We have our identity too.

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #16 on:** January 26, 2018, 06:11:01 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on January 25, 2018, 08:08:08 AM

The priest of a church not far from where I live used to fly the flag of Sinn Fein and it caused a riot.

Astonishing that nearly 100 years later people still give a shit about such things.

Sinn Fein is not an innocuous organisation.

In Texas, I asked to be excused from serving a customer who wore a Sinn Fein/IRA tattoo (and YES it bore both names)

The Hispanic manageress served the customer instead, she understood my situation.

Gordon · « **Reply #17 on:** January 26, 2018, 06:43:07 PM »

Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on January 26, 2018, 06:06:32 PM

Fly the flag of Scotland within Scotland's borders, fly the flag of England within England's borders.

Play Scotland the Brave at Scottish events, and play Jerusalem at English events.

We have our identity too.

I'll pass on Scotland the Brave thanks.

Anchorman · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2018, 06:47:46 PM »

Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on January 26, 2018, 06:06:32 PM

Fly the flag of Scotland within Scotland's borders, fly the flag of England within England's borders.

Play Scotland the Brave at Scottish events, and play Jerusalem at English events.

We have our identity too.

Can't argue with that. England has a rightly proud reputation as a nation.
Mind you, I'd draw the line at "Scotland the Brave"...hey, even the chap who wrote it, Cliff Hanley, threatened to jump out of the box if the thing were played at his funeral! He wrote the words in five minutes as a variety-style review filler.
(I'm not a great fan of "Flower of Scotland" either, mind - even though I was honoured to have met the late Roy Williamson, who wrote it, on many occasions. I prefer the late Hamish Henderson's anti-war, internationalist "The-Freedom-come-all-ye"...great words, great sentiment and superb tune!)