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Nearly Sane

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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #125 on: February 08, 2018, 08:11:59 AM »
I want to know why you think that love, beauty and joy are irrational. “Not fully understood” and “irrational” are not synonyms.
Can't answer for ekim but it would seem to me that from an internal viewpoint they aren't rational because they are subjective. If there are rational choices here it would need to be on an objective scale.

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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #126 on: February 08, 2018, 09:38:05 AM »
I want to know why you think that love, beauty and joy are irrational. “Not fully understood” and “irrational” are not synonyms.
See NS's reply above.

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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #127 on: February 08, 2018, 09:46:25 AM »
I want to know why you think that love, beauty and joy are irrational. “Not fully understood” and “irrational” are not synonyms.
I would be interested in knowing what you mean by fully understood and how you are defining love, beauty or joy.

For example, are we talking about maternal love that reduces a person's objectivity in most situations or romantic love when you become intensely attached to someone unstable and selfish or I love eating certain foods even though they are not good for me and sabotage my goal to reduce my percentage of body fat?

And by joy, do you mean for example the joy of putting yourself and your family's life and health at serious risk in order to get the adrenaline rush of doing a dangerous or reckless activity?
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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #128 on: February 08, 2018, 05:35:07 PM »
I want to know why you think that love, beauty and joy are irrational. “Not fully understood” and “irrational” are not synonyms.
Yes, I want to know that too!

Does anyone doubt that all the kinds of love we feel are generated by the grain? There is, therefore, no irrationality!
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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #129 on: February 08, 2018, 05:41:17 PM »
Yes, I want to know that too!

Does anyone doubt that all the kinds of love we feel are generated by the grain? There is, therefore, no irrationality!

So if someone thinks they are Napoleon today that is rational?

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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #130 on: February 08, 2018, 08:27:43 PM »
Yes, I want to know that too!

Does anyone doubt that all the kinds of love we feel are generated by the grain? There is, therefore, no irrationality!
Similarly my beliefs are generated in my brain, including my belief in a supernatural entity, therefore no irrationality?
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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #131 on: February 08, 2018, 11:58:05 PM »
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Does anyone doubt that all the kinds of love we feel are generated by the grain?

Well I have heard tell that whisky makes you frisky, and brandy makes you randy, I'll stop at beer tho  ;)
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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #132 on: February 09, 2018, 07:35:57 AM »
No, it's called saying what I think. Deal with the post rather than some mind reading about intentions.
I did deal with the post. I dismissed it because it was talking about arationality not irrationality.
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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #133 on: February 09, 2018, 07:37:48 AM »
I did deal with the post. I dismissed it because it was talking about arationality not irrationality.
No, you made an accusation rather than dealing with it. That isn't dealing with anything. I don't see how thinking that desires are not rational isn't a challenge to your idea that love and joy are rational
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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #134 on: February 09, 2018, 08:04:47 PM »
Similarly my beliefs are generated in my brain, including my belief in a supernatural entity, therefore no irrationality?

Sounds irrational to me, there is no reasoning involved, I've yet to see anything viable that would make looking for the supernatural  something worth looking for in the first place, it's not exactly one of the most rational ideas to pursue.

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Re: Had to pass this one on, couldn't resist.
« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2018, 08:10:32 PM »
Sounds irrational to me, there is no reasoning involved, I've yet to see anything viable that would make looking for the supernatural  something worth looking for in the first place, it's not exactly one of the most rational ideas to pursue.

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You do realise that Gabriella was using the logic in SusanDoris's post here  to highlight that this would be a logical conclusion if SusanDoris was being consistent?