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Nearly Sane

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Gender neutral anthem
« on: February 09, 2018, 08:26:05 AM »
You would think a simple change....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-42977303

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 11:39:58 AM »
Our is gender flexible. Saves an awful lot of time, money, & trouble.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 12:02:04 PM »
Our is gender flexible. Saves an awful lot of time, money, & trouble.
Unfortunately for me it involves singing for a nonsensical nonexistent thing to save an representative of an undemocratic institution to be able to subjugate people

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 12:13:18 PM »
Dear Sane,

Aye but!! As a great man once said "If anybody is going to save the Queen then Gods the very man" ::)

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 12:20:39 PM »
Unfortunately for me it involves singing for a nonsensical nonexistent thing to save an representative of an undemocratic institution to be able to subjugate people

FTR I will stand for the national anthem, but I do not sing it.

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 12:21:25 PM »
Unfortunately for me it involves singing for a nonsensical nonexistent thing to save an representative of an undemocratic institution to be able to subjugate people

Exactly.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 12:27:53 PM »
Dear Sane,

Aye but!! As a great man once said "If anybody is going to save the Queen then Gods the very man" ::)

Gonnagle.

The same man suggested the Archers theme as the replacement

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 12:31:47 PM »
FTR I will stand for the national anthem, but I do not sing it.
I can't remember the last time outside of sporting occasions on t'tele that I've heard it in order to not stand for it.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 01:18:25 PM »
Dear Humph,

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FTR I will stand for the national anthem, but I do not sing it.

WHY!!

Have you forgotten the words :P

Here! Go away and practice ;)

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

There are more verses but us Brits are to lazy to learn them all, Oh and there once was a verse about rebellious Scots to crush but it never caught on :P

And FTR ( Oh Gonnagle you teenager ) I not only stand but I sing it to, I love a good sing song, one of the reasons I don't attend Church more often, they always want to sing Hymns I don't know the words to, it should be mandatory in all Churches that Onward Christian Soldiers and All Things bright and Beautiful should be sung every Sunday. :P

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 01:27:15 PM »
I'm old enough to remember the habit of standing up for the national Anthem at the cinema. As I couldn't see any point in the words or the ideas that they expressed, I soon didn't bother standing up and refrained from singing any part of it. :)
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 01:34:33 PM »
I remember most people ran out before the anthem started up and it played to a nearly empty cinema.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 01:37:32 PM »
Yes, you were just left with HWB standing and Gonzo standing and singing while the rest of us tried to make last orders

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2018, 02:14:55 PM »
The same man suggested the Archers theme as the replacement

O my god!

Can you imagine the problems that would cause! Gender neutrality is child's stuff compared with the troubles this would generate.

The Archer's tune is a maypole dance from ... Yorkshire: Barwick Green, from a suite called My Native heath by a Yorkshireman named Arthur Wood.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2018, 02:41:27 PM »
Surly our national anthem has reached the point where it needs to be dumped wholesale and start again with something relevant and sensible.

ippy

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2018, 03:08:26 PM »
Surly our national anthem has reached the point where it needs to be dumped wholesale and start again with something relevant and sensible.

ippy

Why replace something boring with something boring?

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 03:24:37 PM »
It doesn't have to be boring.

My choice would be A Song for a Festival by George Dyson with words by C Day Lewis. It was written for the Festival of Britain in 1951.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2018, 03:32:55 PM »
Dear Humph,

WHY!!

Have you forgotten the words :P

Here! Go away and practice ;)

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

There are more verses but us Brits are to lazy to learn them all, Oh and there once was a verse about rebellious Scots to crush but it never caught on :P

And FTR ( Oh Gonnagle you teenager ) I not only stand but I sing it to, I love a good sing song, one of the reasons I don't attend Church more often, they always want to sing Hymns I don't know the words to, it should be mandatory in all Churches that Onward Christian Soldiers and All Things bright and Beautiful should be sung every Sunday. :P

Gonnagle.

I have not been a "Brit" since Braveheart

"Onward Christian Soldiers" is the same tune, albeit in a major key as opposed to a minor key, as is "Painted Emblems" from Ruddigore.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2018, 03:56:47 PM »
Our is gender flexible. Saves an awful lot of time, money, & trouble.




I find more meaning in the Ying Tong song.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2018, 04:00:29 PM »
Dear Sane,

Aye but!! As a great man once said "If anybody is going to save the Queen then Gods the very man" ::)

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Here's a theology bit.....OK, the English monarch is supposed to be head of the CofE, Gonners.
Now, being head of the CofE, you'd expect that the monarch has accepted that salvation, a onece-for-all gift, is given on acceptance of the God whom that church worships.
So, if the monarch has accepted salvation....why should anyone keep singing a prayer for tha monarch to be saved?
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2018, 04:09:19 PM »
I think the idea is to save the Queen here and now, keep her safe here, "long to reign over us", not her spiritual salvation, Anchor.

Don't remember ever being anywhere the anthem was played at the end of things but could have happened when I was a kid I suppose. Think we sang it at school on occasion.

Like Gonnagle, I only know the first verse.  Quite like it!

(I wonder how I'll feel when it's, "God save the King".)
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2018, 04:23:29 PM »
I say bin it: and the monarchy with it.

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2018, 04:29:46 PM »
I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.


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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2018, 04:40:54 PM »
I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2018, 04:47:59 PM »
It doesn't have to be boring.

My choice would be A Song for a Festival by George Dyson with words by C Day Lewis. It was written for the Festival of Britain in 1951.

Ippy wants something ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’. Sounds horrifically dull.

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 04:49:30 PM »
I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.
Jerusalem? Surely the Hokey Cokey is one we can all get behind.