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Humph Warden Bennett

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 05:15:10 PM »
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 05:16:31 PM »
Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on February 09, 2018, 04:29:46 PM
I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.

Have you never looked at the lyric, Humph? Doesn't it ever strike you as a kind of lament by a dissatisfied religious nut who wants to impose his religious beliefs on everyone else?

First of all - it asks four questions, the answer to each one being "No".
Then it suggests being a one-man philosophical jihadist who wants to move a city from Asia Minor to England.

As for the Horse of Kent - that did used to everywhere: on road-rollers made in Grantham.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 05:23:59 PM »
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 05:36:35 PM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on February 09, 2018, 05:16:31 PM
Have you never looked at the lyric, Humph? Doesn't it ever strike you as a kind of lament by a dissatisfied religious nut who wants to impose his religious beliefs on everyone else?

First of all - it asks four questions, the answer to each one being "No".
Then it suggests being a one-man philosophical jihadist who wants to move a city from Asia Minor to England.

As for the Horse of Kent - that did used to everywhere: on road-rollers made in Grantham.

Jerusalem always strikes me as a howl of rage.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 05:49:07 PM »
Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry
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Humph Warden Bennett

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 05:56:03 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on February 09, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry

If you do wish to be totally naff

https://youtu.be/9CFcu8JRwAU
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Rhiannon

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 06:25:11 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on February 09, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Agadoo
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Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry

Theme from Only Fools.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 06:33:22 PM »
Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on February 09, 2018, 04:29:46 PM
I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.

Blimey!
All I can say about 'Jerusalem' is that when we sang it in school assembly I found it emotionally stirring, especially the intro. banged out loudly on the piano in the hall. I felt exhilarated! Yeah I know I'm a sad case.
(Also like the Glastonbury legend which so inspired Blake.)
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 06:36:41 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on February 09, 2018, 04:47:59 PM
Ippy wants something ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’. Sounds horrifically dull.
   


....and disgustingly british - and therefore worthy of confining to the recycling bin of history.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 06:39:15 PM »
Quote from: Private Frazer on February 09, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry



Land of Hope and Glory?
You really want to recall the glorious exploitation, colonisation, genocide and imposed britishness of Empire?
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 06:40:08 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on February 09, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
   


....and disgustingly british - and therefore worthy of confining to the recycling bin of history.

It's only your attitude that is disgusting here.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2018, 06:42:08 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on February 09, 2018, 06:33:22 PM
Blimey!
All I can say about 'Jerusalem' is that when we sang it in school assembly I found it emotionally stirring, especially the intro. banged out loudly on the piano in the hall. I felt exhilarated! Yeah I know I'm a sad case.
(Also like the Glastonbury legend which so inspired Blake.)

The music is thanks to Parry though.

It's a howl of rage against industrialisation and 'progress'. Reminds me of Clare in some ways.

The Glastonbury Thorn was vandalised not so long ago. There's hope that replacements can be grown from cuttings.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2018, 06:45:20 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on February 09, 2018, 06:40:08 PM
It's only your attitude that is disgusting here.
 
Sorry, Rhi;
The festival of britain was an attempt to relaunch the british commonwealth of nations from the ashes of the slavery of empire.
It was a 'Britain first' for the 1950's - a britain which had "NO Irish, No Blacks and no Indian" notices on the B&B windows. A britain which was still trying to cling onto the African colinies it enslaved as a means of exploitation. There was nothing to celebrate in 1951. (except thwe fact that we returned the stone of Scone from the Westminster Abbey shower who nicked it seven centuries earlier)
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 06:47:51 PM »
To Rhi:- Yeah, dark satanic mills and all that. Great stuff. Do you mean Clare who wrote 'The Silken Tent'?
About the Glasto thorn - I hope so.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 06:50:35 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on February 09, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
 
Sorry, Rhi;
The festival of britain was an attempt to relaunch the british commonwealth of nations from the ashes of the slavery of empire.
It was a 'Britain first' for the 1950's - a britain which had "NO Irish, No Blacks and no Indian" notices on the B&B windows. A britain which was still trying to cling onto the African colinies it enslaved as a means of exploitation. There was nothing to celebrate in 1951. (except thwe fact that we returned the stone of Scone from the Westminster Abbey shower who nicked it seven centuries earlier)

I didn’t mention the Festival of Britain. No interest in it. All I said was the I find the concept of ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’ boring.

You have an issue with the FoB, take it up with those who raised it.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 06:54:39 PM »
The aforementioned tune was written for the FoB. It is therefore relevent to the thread. Anyhow, since the so-called UK is far from united, no tune would satisfy. That's why I postulated the Ying tong song.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 06:57:11 PM »
Your prejudice is as ever on display.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2018, 06:57:28 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on February 09, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
To Rhi:- Yeah, dark satanic mills and all that. Great stuff. Do you mean Clare who wrote 'The Silken Tent'?
About the Glasto thorn - I hope so.

John Clare is the poet of my people. I’ve researched my family history and found them forced off the land into the workhouse and the London slums around St Katherine’s Dock, in conditions researched by the Fabian Society in accounts that read like something from a dystopian nightmare.

http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2010/01/24/john-clare-poor-peoples-poet
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2018, 07:02:05 PM »
It was I that mentioned the Festival of Britain. The Dyson/C Day Lewis song is a song (as best I can recall - it is over half a century since I have heard it) that is a celebration of landscape - "Brave isle of meadow cliff and cloud".

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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2018, 07:03:54 PM »
Wow! I'm impressed.
I have a little anecdote about 'The Silken Tent' but it's not for this thread.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2018, 07:18:29 PM »
Land of Hope and Glory has been mentioned. The memorable, sinuous melody that Elgar wrote as the trio section in his first Pomp and Circumstance march was hi-jacked by other people and used for nationalistic purposes. Elgar was very unhappy at its transformation from a concert march to national song.

Land of Hope and Glory has resulted in Edward Elgar being regarded as an imperialist chauvinist by many people who dismiss his other work as being of similar intent. The title Pomp and Circumstance is taken from perhaps the darkest moment in Othello.  Elgar was very upset by his march being used as a kind of national anthem in reserve during WW1. His earliest recognition had been in Germany and his friend and publisher, August Jaeger (Nimrod in the Enigma Variations) was German. Jaeger's family were forced to change their name to "Hunter" when war broke out.

No, Vlad, NOT Land of Hope and Glory.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2018, 07:26:35 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on February 09, 2018, 04:47:59 PM
Ippy wants something ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’. Sounds horrifically dull.

Assuming you're right Rhi, it couldn't be any duller than the present dirge like, I was going to say tune, sound the present anthem makes.

Regards ippy 
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2018, 07:57:04 PM »
Quote from: ippy on February 09, 2018, 07:26:35 PM
Assuming you're right Rhi, it couldn't be any duller than the present dirge like, I was going to say tune, sound the present anthem makes.

Regards ippy

Not disagreeing with you there.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2018, 08:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on February 09, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
If you do wish to be totally naff

https://youtu.be/9CFcu8JRwAU
A bit thin on the vocals.....of course that was the style then, Sheena Easton, Bananarama it even got as far as the medieval Baebes.

Mind you Anna Wing, Wendy Richard or June Brown could have rasped it up a bit.
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Re: Gender neutral anthem
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2018, 10:08:04 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on February 09, 2018, 06:57:11 PM
Your prejudice is as ever on display.
 

Yep.
Just like Robert Burns.
http://www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/PoliticsBurnsand.720.shtml





Yep.
Just like Robert Burns.
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