Author Topic: Christians who make my skin crawl! (Read 18518 times)

floo · « **on:** February 10, 2018, 11:40:54 AM »

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ippy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:29:43 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 10, 2018, 11:40:54 AM

In my 68 years on this planet I have come across some Christians, in reality and on forums, who make my skin crawl. They are the ones who are extremist in their portrayal of the faith when trying to force it down the throats of others with threats if they don't get 'saved'! I personally know a number who were oh so holy when trying to convert others, yet their personal lives didn't stand up to scrutiny. If their version of god exists does it condone them cheating on their partners, or having business dealing, which are nothing short of fraudulent? Added to that bigotry is often rife among their number when it comes to racism, homophobia and looking down on those who are mentally disabled. I was more than shocked, when on another forum a so called 'Christian' who had been giving it large about their faith, had stated in their profile they were a member of the American Nazi Party! When I challenged them about this incongruity, they stated that Nazis were good people!

I can only think that Christians, whose behaviour is reprehensible, believe in the 'once saved, always saved', mantra, which ensures them a place in heaven whatever they do after conversion!

Fortunately for me I know some very decent Christians too, like my own three girls.

What do other posters think of the Christians who drag the faith through the sewer?

The BBC's look how normal it is to be a Christian mantra put out at every opportunity they can without making it too obvious, they never miss, makes my skin crawl, when you think of how much power they have, the subtlety of how they do it it's impressive.

Regards ippy

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:37:27 PM »

Quote from: ippy on February 10, 2018, 02:29:43 PM

The BBC's look how normal it is to be a Christian mantra put out at every opportunity they can without making it too obvious, they never miss, makes my skin crawl, when you think of how much power they have, the subtlety of how they do it it's impressive.

Regards ippy

And your evidence for this?

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:41:13 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 10, 2018, 11:40:54 AM

In my 68 years on this planet I have come across some Christians, in reality and on forums, who make my skin crawl. They are the ones who are extremist in their portrayal of the faith when trying to force it down the throats of others with threats if they don't get 'saved'! I personally know a number who were oh so holy when trying to convert others, yet their personal lives didn't stand up to scrutiny. If their version of god exists does it condone them cheating on their partners, or having business dealing, which are nothing short of fraudulent? Added to that bigotry is often rife among their number when it comes to racism, homophobia and looking down on those who are mentally disabled. I was more than shocked, when on another forum a so called 'Christian' who had been giving it large about their faith, had stated in their profile they were a member of the American Nazi Party! When I challenged them about this incongruity, they stated that Nazis were good people!

I can only think that Christians, whose behaviour is reprehensible, believe in the 'once saved, always saved', mantra, which ensures them a place in heaven whatever they do after conversion!

Fortunately for me I know some very decent Christians too, like my own three girls.

What do other posters think of the Christians who drag the faith through the sewer?

We did have a few less pleasant types on the old board, Gigantic Freddie comes to mind,
but so far as I know we have never had anybody who fits those descriptions on this board. I presume that you mean the likes of Jimmy Swaggert? I do not consider him to be a Christian at all, at the very best he offers conjurors tricks & at the worst he seems to be a liar, a hypocrite, and a cheat. I would have thought that being a member of any Nazi Party is incompatible with Christianity!

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:42:16 PM »

Quote from: ippy on February 10, 2018, 02:29:43 PM

The BBC's look how normal it is to be a Christian mantra put out at every opportunity they can without making it too obvious, they never miss, makes my skin crawl, when you think of how much power they have, the subtlety of how they do it it's impressive.

Regards ippy

Ippy, that is not what LR is talking about!

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 10, 2018, 02:47:33 PM

The people across the pond seem to be much more tolerant of the extremes of Christianity than most of us would be here in the UK. Wasn't Hitler supposed to have been a Christian?

I don't personally know anybody who considers Hitler, or Stalin, to have been Christians, although some do allege it from time to time.

ippy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2018, 03:05:28 PM »

Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on February 10, 2018, 02:42:16 PM

Ippy, that is not what LR is talking about!

The title of the O P's 'Christians who make my skin crawl!'.

Regards ippy

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2018, 03:18:28 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 10, 2018, 02:51:25 PM

I could be wrong, but I read somewhere that Hitler was a Christian and considered he was doing the faith a favour by riding the world of Jews!

TBH that is like me suddenly announcing that I am descended from a lost tribe & that I am a real Israelite rather than those of the Judah/Benjamin merged tribes.

You can call yourself what you like, but I don't know anybody who would consider Hitler to be a Christian. Yes there might be some neo nazi shitheads who would take that view, but I do not consider them to be Christians either.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2018, 03:33:01 PM »

Quote from: ippy on February 10, 2018, 03:05:28 PM

The title of the O P's 'Christians who make my skin crawl!'.

Regards ippy

May I remind you of the who part, Ippy.

Robbie · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2018, 04:00:11 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 10, 2018, 02:51:25 PM

I could be wrong, but I read somewhere that Hitler was a Christian and considered he was doing the faith a favour by riding the world of Jews!

You are wrong. Hitler was, like many, baptised into a Christian faith but his 'religion', if you can call it that, consisted of various superstitions, folklore and the occult. No doubt he considered the world would be better off without Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled and others.

I too haven't seen anything from the BBC or elsewhere about portraying Christians in any light. One is hard pushed to find anything religious on television, not that I want to watch it but a while ago a Christian poster said something about religious programmes that are 'out there' if only I look; all I've found scrolling freeview is TBN which I think is an American channel, on late at night or early hours. I haven't watched it. Don't have SKY, there may be more on that but I wouldn't know.

Returning to the op, I believe that anyone who uses a religion in order to promote something bad (such as abuse of the vulnerable or hate-full politics such as LR outlined), is committing the unforgiveable sin. It's an outrage.

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2018, 04:50:47 PM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 10, 2018, 04:16:26 PM

Sadly Christianity is rife with superstition!

Floo, Christianity is a religion! What do you expect?

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2018, 04:51:47 PM »

My apologies LR, I should have used your current name.

Maeght · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2018, 05:49:01 PM »

Quote from: Robbie on February 10, 2018, 04:00:11 PM

You are wrong. Hitler was, like many, baptised into a Christian faith but his 'religion', if you can call it that, consisted of various superstitions, folklore and the occult.

Sounds more like Himmler to me. I wouldn't consider Hitler a Christian.

Robbie · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2018, 06:13:15 PM »

He certainly wasn't. There's more to being a Christian than nominalism. Plenty of people have been baptised as infants or children - even married in church - and wouldn't consider themselves Christian.
Hitler had his own ideology.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2018, 07:47:50 PM »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2018, 07:54:11 PM »

Thank You, an interesting read.

This is not pleasant reading, but posters may find the following to be of interest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2018, 08:50:15 AM »

What is the point of the thread? There are people who call themselves Christians who behave badly. So what?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2018, 08:54:22 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 12, 2018, 08:51:57 AM

One could ask the same about some of your threads too, my dear.

So no answer?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2018, 08:58:59 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 12, 2018, 08:57:41 AM

One could say, 'so what', about many threads on this forum. Forums are there for people to have their say, no one is forced to interact if they don't wish to.

And again no answer. It's your thread, what do you think is the point of raising it?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2018, 09:01:28 AM »

Quote from: Littleroses on February 12, 2018, 08:41:02 AM

I am currently reading a novel about a TV evangelist who cons his gullible victims into funding his lavish life style. Unfortunately that is played out in real life too. I remember hearing about one of their ilk who tried to get people to fund the cost of an executive jet so he could spread his garbage far and wide! I doubt there are any poverty stricken scam merchants of this sort. They seem to breed them in the US, I can't think offhand of any here in the UK.

So let's see
Someone who's British.
Someone who is evangelical about what they believe and say's so on TV.
Sells loads of books to people wanting to drink it in.
Goes over the world spreading his beliefs,

floo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2018, 09:03:44 AM »

Quote from: Private Frazer on February 12, 2018, 09:01:28 AM

So let's see
Someone who's British.
Someone who is evangelical about what they believe and say's so on TV.
Sells loads of books to people wanting to drink it in.
Goes over the world spreading his beliefs,

Ehhhhhhhh?