Christians who make my skin crawl!

[SteveH]

SteveH,

But lots of Christians do, and in any case presumably lots of those liberal ones do think they have it right (otherwise why be that way?) and, say, Fred Phelps' lot have it wrong. 

Of course liberal Christians think they have got it right, or they wouldn't think what they think, would they? I've already pointed ouit that blindingly obvious fact elsewhere today. The important thing is to be open to the possibility that you might be wrong.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Not the sort of 'entertainment' my husband and I enjoy.

Have you ever heard of anybody?

I am reminded of a gentleman who used to drink diluted blackcurrant juice in our (now closed) local pub. He had never heard of anybody either. He told me once, " I went to Ronnie Scotts last week, I heard some jazz, it was really nice". "To be honest, Denis", I replied, "I am not really a jazz fan, I do have one jazz CD, it is a Dave Brubeck compilation". "Hmm" replied Denis, "I've not heard of Dave Brubeck".

Denis must have been the only English speaking person on the planet who went into Ronnie Scotts who had never heard of Dave Brubeck.

Except perhaps for Floo.............?

[Stranger]

What is it about this statement that gives it a ring of half an argument?

Your inability to understand.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Lihou is smaller than Jethou.

But do people actually live on Lihou? (I ask out of genuine interest).

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Your inability to understand.

Meeeoooooowwwwwww.
It doesn't talk about cogent reasons to think that there aren't then?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Well I haven't for a start! I dislike music and my husband only likes classical music, he has no interest in any other.

So your husband dislikes composers such as Tchaikovsky?

[Stranger]

Meeeoooooowwwwwww.

Couldn't resist... 

It doesn't talk about cogent reasons to think that there aren't then?

Nor does it need to.

[Robbie]

So your husband dislikes composers such as Tchaikovsky?

Tchaikovsky was not a classical composer? LR said her husband only likes classical.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Tchaikovsky was not a classical composer? LR said her husband only likes classical.

Tchaikovsky was a Romantic composer, not a Classical composer. A Classical composer would be of Beethoven's era.

[Rhiannon]

Tchaikovsky was a Romantic composer, not a Classical composer. A Classical composer would be of Beethoven's era.

He was a classical composer from the Romantic era. There is also a Classical era of classical composition.

[Robbie]

Thank you. You're right. However I'd imagine LR's husband would consider Tchaikovsky to be broadly classical unless he puts composers into groups. Heard on Classic FM often enough and written about in classical music magazines.

(LR for the record I don't care for Harry Hill one bit, don't see the point of him.)

[SteveH]

Tchaikovsky was a Romantic composer, not a Classical composer. A Classical composer would be of Beethoven's era.

Beethoven was a romantic!

[SteveH]

The broader meaning of "classical", as applied to music, and the usual meaning in everyday use, is "serious", as opposed to pop, jazz, rock, musicals, etc. The narrow meaning is as opposed to "romantic", by which definition Handel and Bach were classical, but Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Chopin were romantic.

[Robbie]

Quite right Mr H and Beethoven was on the cusp of Classical/Romantic (he might well have been romantic tho', don't know much about his private life).

LR if you read back the last few posts you'll see we've been through Tchaikovsky as Classical and or Romantic.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

What are you on about? Tchaikovsky is classical.

Oh dear.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

The broader meaning of "classical", as applied to music, and the usual meaning in everyday use, is "serious", as opposed to pop, jazz, rock, musicals, etc. The narrow meaning is as opposed to "romantic", by which definition Handel and Bach were classical, but Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Chopin were romantic.

What about Schoenberg?

Or Vaughan Williams?

To describe either of the above as "classical" is IMHO like describing Soft Machine as "progressive rock" when they were fusion jazz.

[Nearly Sane]

What about Schoenberg?

Or Vaughan Williams?

To describe either of the above as "classical" is IMHO like describing Soft Machine as "progressive rock" when they were fusion jazz.

Were any of this lot Christians? Or make people's skin crawl?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

http://bssm.net/

This lot are barking mad, imo.

So they use models with glow in the dark teeth & whom have visited a eyebrow parlour? You can meet types like that in your local mall.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Were any of this lot Christians? Or make people's skin crawl?

I think that they were both atheists.

There is a rather charming photo of an elderly Vaughan Williams with his arms around the shoulders of two young lady musicians, all three are smiling easily. One of the musicians was interviewed in her old age, she remarked that Vaughan Williams was likeable rather than formidable. Makes a pleasant change to recent allegations made in the entertainment field.

[SteveH]

There is a rather charming photo of an elderly Vaughan Williams with his arms around the shoulders of two young lady musicians,

This one? He's not got his arms round their shoulders, though.
I found two copies of this when I googled. This version names the women as "Miss Ursula Wood and Mrs C. Day". The other version named the second woman as "C. Day Lewis"!
https://goo.gl/images/1qkPuU

[Harrowby Hall]

This one? He's not got his arms round their shoulders, though.
I found two copies of this when I googled. This version names the women as "Miss Ursula Wood and Mrs C. Day". The other version named the second woman as "C. Day Lewis"!
https://goo.gl/images/1qkPuU

Ursula Wood was Mrs Vaughan Williams (No 2)

[Harrowby Hall]

Ralph Vaughan Williams was the atheist composer who edited/complied The English Hymnal.

[Harrowby Hall]

The broader meaning of "classical", as applied to music, and the usual meaning in everyday use, is "serious", as opposed to pop, jazz, rock, musicals, etc. The narrow meaning is as opposed to "romantic", by which definition Handel and Bach were classical, but Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Chopin were romantic.

Bach and Handel predate "classical". Most people would describe them as "baroque". Classical is Haydn and Mozart.

I believe the usage of "classical" to describe European art music - the sense used by Floo - developed perhaps 100 years or so ago when the gramophone record industry was developing. It was the term used by the industry to identify the appropriate market segment.

[ProfessorDavey]

Ralph Vaughan Williams was the atheist composer who edited/complied The English Hymnal.

Point of order:

Vaughan Williams considered himself an atheist in his earlier life but tended to describe himself as a cheerful agnostic later.

Interesting that he composed a huge amount of sacred music - presumably happily taking the money for the commissions while not actually believing the words in his compositions. I think John Rutter, the kind of modern day equivalent (less good as a composer but no less prolific in sacred choral music terms) is the same - also non religious, yet his career is defined (more so than Vaughan Williams) by his sacred music output.

[Harrowby Hall]

Point of clarification:

Ralph Vaughan Williams was in his early 30s when he edited The English Hymnal - he was an atheist then.

By the way (derail apology) - VW does not make my skin crawl. In my musical hierarchy he is but a step behind Edward Elgar and (only just) in front of William Walton.