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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2018, 04:17:07 PM »
It seems to be by Gerald47, well, good old Gerald.
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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2018, 04:22:22 PM »
Dear Wigs,

I am glad the De Botton name was mentioned I thoroughly enjoyed his TED talk, a man who is going to be shot from both sides of the divide.

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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2018, 04:23:51 PM »
Ours doesn't and isn't it the mission of the National Secular Society that we have tons less?

What makes you think that, if an organisation has a concept in its name, that defines what the concept means? The National Secular Society should really be called the National Atheist Society.
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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2018, 04:25:15 PM »
Ours doesn't and isn't it the mission of the National Secular Society that we have tons less?

It really is a case of you can't get it rather than you don't get it Vlad, Gonners has a similar problem too; so don't bother your head with it Vlad, if you haven't got it by now after so many posters have explained secularism to you, at length, you're never going to get it.

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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2018, 04:29:56 PM »
It really is a case of you can't get it rather than you don't get it Vlad, Gonners has a similar problem too; so don't bother your head with it Vlad, if you haven't got it by now after so many posters have explained secularism to you, at length, you're never going to get it.

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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2018, 04:34:36 PM »
You're against everything. I assumed you would be against masturbation as a part of "everything".

Stop making sweeping statements about me, I am NOT against everything, by any means. You really have it in for me today, what is your problem?

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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2018, 04:34:50 PM »
Dear ippy,

 
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Gonners has a similar problem too;

True! So true, the whole atheist thing, we don't know what God is but hell we still don't believe in it, makes my eyes water just thinking about the atheist mind.

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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2018, 04:38:21 PM »
I don't think anyone is denying that there are problems today, but Botton seems to be saying that things are worse.   Worse than when?

OK, forget olden days, when I was born, there was no NHS, and my mum remembered paying a shilling a week for some treatment, and a shilling was a lot for them.   So are you saying that times were better then?   Eh?

The NHS is far from perfect, but at least it is available free of charge at point of need, unlike the bad old days when there was none.

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« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2018, 04:43:37 PM »
The NHS is far from perfect, but at least it is available free of charge at point of need, unlike the bad old days when there was none.
I think the point is that it is being eroded, welfare is becoming a dirty word, even charity is under fire and in a sort of perverse twist on scripture, ''The Geek shall inherit the earth.''

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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2018, 04:44:03 PM »
Dear Floo,

The NHS is the best in the world, what's wrong with it is the Tories, soon we won't have anything to be proud of, they just need to sell off the BBC and the Monarchy and they will have a full house, long live Corbyn! Long live Corbyn, and the first ass to mention communism gets a one way ticket back to the 70's >:(

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« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2018, 04:44:48 PM »
Stop making sweeping statements about me, I am NOT against everything, by any means. You really have it in for me today, what is your problem?

The problem I have with you, is that on almost every topic, you chime in with your disapproval with whatever the topic is about. You never seem to think. You appear to hate everything.

I have said to you before "don't tell us when you dislike something, tell us when you like, something". Even though that would put you in a more positive light and avoid you having to post so much, you have always ignored my advice.
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« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2018, 04:46:17 PM »
Dear Floo,

The NHS is the best in the world, what's wrong with it is the Tories, soon we won't have anything to be proud of, they just need to sell off the BBC and the Monarchy and they will have a full house, long live Corbyn! Long live Corbyn, and the first ass to mention communism gets a one way ticket back to the 70's >:(

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You really think it would be better under that chap Corbyn?  I doubt that, he doesn't seem able to punch his way out of a paper bag, let alone anything else. ::)
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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »
The NHS is the best in the world
Is it?

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what's wrong with it is the Tories, soon we won't have anything to be proud of, they just need to sell off the BBC and the Monarchy and they will have a full house, long live Corbyn! Long live Corbyn, and the first ass to mention communism gets a one way ticket back to the 70's >:(
Corbyn is a useless twat. See I criticised him without using the word "communism".

Damn, you tricked me.
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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2018, 04:51:37 PM »
Dear Floo,

Oh yes! I would love to have a British rail again ( stand by for all the time travel remarks ) and I think the post office should lose its royal seal of approval until such times it is handed back to the great people of this little island.

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« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2018, 04:54:31 PM »
Oh yes! I would love to have a British rail again
But it was shit.

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and I think the post office should lose its royal seal of approval until such times it is handed back to the great people of this little island.
The great people that xenophobically voted for Brexit. The people on this island aren't "great" any more than anybody else.
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« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2018, 04:55:05 PM »
Dear Jeremyp,

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Is it?
And not because I work for it ::)



https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/14/nhs-holds-on-to-top-spot-in-healthcare-survey

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« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2018, 04:56:46 PM »
Dear Floo,

I told you the time travelers would appear :)

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But it was shit.

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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2018, 04:59:06 PM »
Dear Jeremyp,

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The great people that xenophobically voted for Brexit.

You got me there, no argument whatsoever.

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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2018, 11:15:12 PM »
Dear Jeremyp,
 And not because I work for it ::)



https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/14/nhs-holds-on-to-top-spot-in-healthcare-survey

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« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2018, 05:23:08 AM »
Gonnagle,

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Must just be me but I think the man is talking complete sense.

Yes, I think Mr. Botton's points are all well taken!

I would add that there are additional important sources of mental stress, nearly all associated with what I at least see as the disconnect between our biological, evolutionary heritage and our cultural creations, the former moving slowly and the latter, very rapidly. David Barash develops this notion in his forthcoming book, Through a Glass Brightly, out this summer.


https://global.oup.com/academic/product/through-a-glass-brightly-9780190673710?cc=us&lang=en&#


I suspect that at least some of the sources of our distress are indeed due to the costs of being born in modern times, but with Stone Age brains.


Wigginhall,

Another issue is a missing link.

Where is this stuff taken from?


From Alain de Botton's own Twitter account last Wednesday.

Here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/alaindebotton/status/960913064504815616

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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2018, 08:11:24 AM »
Gonnagle,

Yes, I think Mr. Botton's points are all well taken!

I would add that there are additional important sources of mental stress, nearly all associated with what I at least see as the disconnect between our biological, evolutionary heritage and our cultural creations, the former moving slowly and the latter, very rapidly. David Barash develops this notion in his forthcoming book, Through a Glass Brightly, out this summer.


https://global.oup.com/academic/product/through-a-glass-brightly-9780190673710?cc=us&lang=en&#

I Read the review.
I would immediately question the narrative that science has progressively diminished humanity's self image rather than reduced humanity to a collection of bits built from from ancestors with no novelty.

Of course science gives us facts but in the end we have to live in our own skins.

I get the feeling I would disagree with the review's view of the self image of man. As with De Botton and Pinker the question is what stats or information do we have on self image in past times? I suspect a caricature historical human who sits against our present knowledge and model of the universe and arrogantly pronounces himself as central to thatrather than a much more narrow historical model.

Of course there are clues. The standard traditional Christian funeral service where we start from dust and end in dust and in the end we fair no better than the plants and there is the practical evidence of lives lived nearer to nature than since the enlightenment.

Also a scientific perspective not being shared by the majority is hardly surprising. Science is ecstatic. It regularly takes us out of ourselves because we employ a different mindset and as an ecstatic practice it becomes very attractive as a modus vivindi for those with the disposition.

I suppose i'll have to buy the book.




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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2018, 09:21:47 AM »
Gerald is a plagiarist.

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« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2018, 09:34:37 AM »
Gerald is a plagiarist.
Uneducated Pleb though was very good

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« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2018, 09:45:23 AM »
Uneducated Pleb though was very good
I can't see how anyone can see Uneducated Pleb as good and Pinker, who makes IMHO the very same assumptions about treating society en masse as Pleb criticises.

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« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2018, 09:49:45 AM »
I can't see how anyone can see Uneducated Pleb as good and Pinker, who makes IMHO the very same assumptions about treating society en masse as Pleb criticises.
I don't see Uneducated Pleb as saying the same as Pinker's position at all but if you want to disagree with Uneducated Pleb then I suggest you post on that forum. about it.


ETA - Untangling your usual tortuous syntax, I think you are arguing that someone can't find good points in arguments that might be in disagreement - I disagree with that.
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