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Nearly Sane

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #625 on: February 21, 2018, 12:16:14 PM »
To me you and Wigginhall are proponents of the woolysphere in which World views are not appropriate for the man in his hutch for whom a paper, a pie, and a pint suffices. In other words IMHO you think that debating it is ''all shit''.

If you think I'm wrong Sane explain your own position instead of IMHO sneering at people who want to talk world views.

To me the issue is how can someone who views world views thus logically and meaningfully take part in a debate about it.

Is someone like Walter who stands up and says ''prove it'' and that's it debating?

please answer these points and not just rest on the facile accusation of lie.

You and Wiggs are like the Mr Kidd and Mr Wint of the forum. Having despatched  0061/2 codename Bluehillside, I feel you are now working on me.
I asked you what a world view is and you just provided a set of questions some of which are incoherent. If you want to talk seriously then don't lie

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #626 on: February 21, 2018, 12:17:02 PM »
Dear Waltz,

Thanks for the clarification!

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #627 on: February 21, 2018, 12:17:23 PM »
Dear Sane,

I don't see a lie >:( I see someone questioning, maybe you and the Wigs should grow a skin, we have had this discussion before, maybe it is me, I am just to thick to spot Vlads lies.

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #628 on: February 21, 2018, 12:22:40 PM »
I am asking the atheist to have a long hard think, why? I honestly think they will have a better understanding of how theists think, it might stop some being so judgmental, after all questioning your own thinking is no bad thing, I do it all the time, and yes I need to work on my ego, my thinking is always beautiful thoughts. :-X

I agree that questioning your own thinking is important - I do it all the time too.

Despite many conversations and thinking a lot about it, I still can't fathom why theists believe what they do.
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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #629 on: February 21, 2018, 12:29:42 PM »
Dear Sane,

I don't see a lie >:( I see someone questioning, maybe you and the Wigs should grow a skin, we have had this discussion before, maybe it is me, I am just to thick to spot Vlads lies.

Gonnagle.
Where does wigginhall announce  'this debate is all shit' as Vlad portrays it?

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« Reply #630 on: February 21, 2018, 12:38:12 PM »
Where does wigginhall announce  'this debate is all shit' as Vlad portrays it?
Mr Kydd
If Mr Wint seems injured by my interpretation of his views amounts to that surely he can approach me.

Again My interpretation is that he thinks these matters/issues, as I listed to you, are not worth talking or bothering about. Hence the debate being all shit.

That is my impression on his view.

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #631 on: February 21, 2018, 12:41:35 PM »
I agree that questioning your own thinking is important - I do it all the time too.

Despite many conversations and thinking a lot about it, I still can't fathom why theists believe what they do.
I'm with you all the way Stranger.
Maybe it's the inability to think critically that leads to theism (and I've put that politely).

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #632 on: February 21, 2018, 12:41:53 PM »
Dear Stranger,

Well I asked a long time ago, but here goes again, I am told atheism is just blah blah blah, but if I go on to the interweb, I can usually find some atheist foaming at the mouth, telling us about the evils of religion, the question is this, in your daily life, your thoughts and the way you view the world does your atheism affect this.

Here is an example, I am all for a day of rest for the whole world, a day when we shut down, a day for quiet contemplation, a day when we stick two fingers up at consumerism and yes I know it is pie in the sky stuff, I know we could never fully achieve this but a move towards this sort of thing would be nice, good for the planet, but when this question is raised on this forum the atheists are all over it, they talk of rights and going  shopping 24/7 is a great thing.

Now I don't want to debate the above but is it a small sample of how your atheism affects your daily life?

Gonnagle.

I don't really know if this is of any help, but I'll try.

I know that you'll have to take my word for it, but my wife is a very caring lady. She has two brothers, one of whom has cerebral palsy. He is my age, and my wife has always been very close to him, and has time and again shown a fierce and loyal protection towards him. We see him every week without fail, even though he is now unable to use his legs at all. He has carers 3 times a day, and can only be moved around by using a hoist. On occasions he has had some very pretty horrendous problems(e.g. 3 years ago he had pneumonia, and he was in danger of drowning from the build up of liquid in his lungs). My wife has always been there for him, and, on the times he has been in hospital, we have regularly visited him(sometimes all day) and, my wife, being a former nurse, has shown a practical quality which I could never attain. She has also helped two very old neighbours over quite a long period of time(indeed, as I write this, she has just finished shopping, and is going to have a cup of tea with one of the old ladies).

Now the point about this is that my wife is an atheist, in that she has no belief in any god at all. She simply doesn't have the need for one, and, unless the idea of god was mentioned, she would never even think on those lines. How does atheism affect her life? I would say very little as there are far more important things in her life to consider than the idea of a god.

That doesn't stop her having criticisms of religions however, when she sees some of the glaring discepancies in the deeds and thoughts of some religionists(her words would be'these stupid people').

 She lives a reasonably fulfilling and satisfying life, she is practical and she is caring. Also, about 15 years ago, she delivered a dissertation to a study group on whether the modern world is in crisis, and she made some very salient points. We both attend a local humanist group monthly, the latest of which was on the subject of modern day slavery, and, again, she was not afraid to speak up and produced some eminently practical and compassionate points on how to alleviate the situation.

So, you ask how atheism affects your daily life. In her case it doesn't really. She simply can't be bothered with the idea of god and religion at all because she has no such beliefs. Why should she?
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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #633 on: February 21, 2018, 12:42:39 PM »
Mr Kydd
If Mr Wint seems injured by my interpretation of his views amounts to that surely he can approach me.

Again My interpretation is that he thinks these matters/issues, as I listed to you, are not worth talking or bothering about. Hence the debate being all shit.

That is my impression on his view.
And it is my impression that you are lying and do it frequently

And wigginhall did ask you for a reference for the statement.

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #634 on: February 21, 2018, 12:45:56 PM »
I'm with you all the way Stranger.
Maybe it's the inability to think critically that leads to theism (and I've put that politely).
Except there are lots of theists who do think critically and lots of atheists who don't - people are way more complex than a simple binary here.

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« Reply #635 on: February 21, 2018, 12:51:21 PM »
Except there are lots of theists who do think critically and lots of atheists who don't - people are way more complex than a simple binary here.
no they're not

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #636 on: February 21, 2018, 12:52:05 PM »
Except there are lots of theists who do think critically...

About their reasons for theism?

...and lots of atheists who don't...

Definitely.
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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #637 on: February 21, 2018, 12:56:01 PM »
Enki

a nice example of how being atheist has no real influence on daily life , thanks .

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #638 on: February 21, 2018, 12:56:14 PM »
About their reasons for theism?

Definitely.

Then that's a different claim from an inability to think critically as stated by Walter. I don't know whether the claim that they are unable to think critically on theism applies to all theists because I haven't talked to them, and I don't have their personal experiences.

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #639 on: February 21, 2018, 12:57:18 PM »
no they're not
Ah a post that shows a lack of critical thinking by an atheist - thank you for the example

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #640 on: February 21, 2018, 01:02:22 PM »
Then that's a different claim from an inability to think critically as stated by Walter. I don't know whether the claim that they are unable to think critically on theism applies to all theists because I haven't talked to them, and I don't have their personal experiences.
nope, you're miss representing me . My point was; if religious people were thinking critically they would not arrive at theism

Perhaps I didn't structure my sentence to your liking!

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #641 on: February 21, 2018, 01:03:14 PM »
Ah a post that shows a lack of critical thinking by an atheist - thank you for the example
it was a gag . jesus!

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #642 on: February 21, 2018, 01:04:19 PM »
it was a gag . jesus!
As was my reply - dawkins!

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #643 on: February 21, 2018, 01:04:45 PM »
And it is my impression that you are lying and do it frequently

And wigginhall did ask you for a reference for the statement.
I am happy to let others make a judgment on your impression

You provided the reference didn't you?

Frazer, P. (2018). Rectal extraction and lying. Dishonestville: Fraud and Fake News.

That is a real reference isn't it?

Whoever P Frazer is they did write it yes?

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #644 on: February 21, 2018, 01:07:19 PM »
nope, you're miss representing me . My point was; if religious people were thinking critically they would not arrive at theism

Perhaps I didn't structure my sentence to your liking!


I can only really go on what you post which was

'Maybe it's the inability to think critically that leads to theism'

So where was the misrepresentation?

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #645 on: February 21, 2018, 01:08:24 PM »
As was my reply - dawkins!
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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #646 on: February 21, 2018, 01:09:29 PM »
I am happy to let others make a judgment on your impression

You provided the reference didn't you?

Frazer, P. (2018). Rectal extraction and lying. Dishonestville: Fraud and Fake News.

That is a real reference isn't it?

Whoever P Frazer is they did write it yes?
No, it's not a real reference, It's joking about your lying but then you know that

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #647 on: February 21, 2018, 01:10:27 PM »
nope, you're miss representing me . My point was; if religious people were thinking critically they would not arrive at theism

Demonstrate that is true.
After all there aren't any atheists really are there, there are just agnostics after all nobody says there is no God because they would have to know everything wouldn't they.....and who is it who is supposed to know everything?

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #648 on: February 21, 2018, 01:10:30 PM »
I am happy to let others make a judgment on your impression

You provided the reference didn't you?

Frazer, P. (2018). Rectal extraction and lying. Dishonestville: Fraud and Fake News.

That is a real reference isn't it?

Whoever P Frazer is they did write it yes?
I rarely reply to your posts because of your intellectual dishonesty .

Does that help?

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Re: How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill
« Reply #649 on: February 21, 2018, 01:11:21 PM »
Demonstrate that is true.
After all there aren't any atheists really are there, there are just agnostics after all nobody says there is no God because they would have to know everything wouldn't they.....and who is it who is supposed to know everything?
that'll be me then  ;D