How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So my penchant for hillwalking and skiing contribute to my pastime of not cross stitching.

Very clever until I point out that with all that skiing and hillwalking when would you have time for crossstiching?

[Walter]

Surely the 'belief in God' form that Vlad used includes existence?

no, I was making the distinction that I don't believe in the existence of god , whereas Vlad seams to think that I merely deny the existence , which is obvious in the way he says it . There is a fundamental difference . But Vlad appears to subconsciously miss that point   

[torridon]

Very clever until I point out that with all that skiing and hillwalking when would you have time for crossstiching?

True; but trying to glimpse why I don't like cross stitching in terms of why I do like skiing seems a tad tortuous.

[Nearly Sane]

no, I was making the distinction that I don't believe in the existence of god , whereas Vlad seams to think that I merely deny the existence , which is obvious in the way he says it . There is a fundamental difference . But Vlad appears to subconsciously miss that point   

I don't read it that way - if you lack a belief in god it appears to me you lack a belief  in the existence of god not that you are denying an existent god

[Stranger]

Apparently Stranger you state you have beliefs.I believe those beliefs contribute to your atheism.

Of course they do and I've explained exactly how.

We must question why then you hide your core beliefs

I'm not - what do you want to know?

[Stranger]

The critical moment for me was when I read the words of a person but realising these were coming from something else and not the woolly sphere of unknowing. That is when I became a theist.

So you because a theist because you are terrified of not knowing - how rational of you...     

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So you because a theist because you are terrified of not knowing - how rational of you...     

No, ignorance is bliss as they say

I became a theist because I found something behind the wordsI was reading.
As I discovered Jesus knowing is what became problematic.
Nothing wrong with not knowing but there is a problem with believing that is the state in which we should remain, surely.

[Stranger]

Nothing wrong with not knowing but there is a problem with believing that is the state in which we should remain, surely.

I'm really not sure how you get a 'should' question from not knowing. There are things we don't know - that's a fact. We can try to find out as much as possible but if we don't have enough evidence or reasoning to come to a conclusion, we have to accept that state until and unless we get more.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm really not sure how you get a 'should' question from not knowing. There are things we don't know - that's a fact. We can try to find out as much as possible but if we don't have enough evidence or reasoning to come to a conclusion, we have to accept that state until and unless we get more.

True, there are things we don't know but once knowing going back to unknowing is not an option.
I think you'll find a thin line between what you are saying and a conclusion that everything, everything is just in the mind. Reasoning can not generate being.

[Stranger]

True, there are things we don't know but once knowing going back to unknowing is not an option.

I guess, strictly speaking that is true but we're getting into the problem of what constitutes knowledge (classically "justified true belief" but then how to know that it's true and what about Gettier?). This is why science takes the view that theories are always open to be falsified by new evidence. More generally, we can always come across new information that can overturn a long held 'certainty'.

I think you'll find a thin line between what you are saying and a conclusion that everything, everything is just in the mind. Reasoning can not generate being.

Well the idea of everything being in the mind cannot be ruled out. However, there does appear to be an external, objective reality that is at least intersubjective - and if it isn't external and objective, it might as well be. As Philip K. Dick said: "reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away."

[Walter]

No, ignorance is bliss as they say

I became a theist because I found something behind the wordsI was reading.
As I discovered Jesus knowing is what became problematic.
Nothing wrong with not knowing but there is a problem with believing that is the state in which we should remain, surely.

if you'd read the Koran would you have become a Muslim?

[Walter]

I think you actually read a cookery book and became a fruit cake.

[ippy]

no, I was making the distinction that I don't believe in the existence of god , whereas Vlad seams to think that I merely deny the existence , wh

I've tried to bring this home to Vlad several times and like you Walter, I'm unable to make him understand that I'm not denying the existence of this god of his, it's just that to date haven't seen or heard of any evidential reason to think that there is such a thing as a god, so what would I 'be denying?

No doubt if Vlad does respond to this post no doubt it'll be some garbled, gobbledegooked kind of an incomprehensible response, yet again.

Regards ippy

[Walter]

no, I was making the distinction that I don't believe in the existence of god , whereas Vlad seams to think that I merely deny the existence , wh

I've tried to bring this home to Vlad several times and like you Walter, I'm unable to make him understand that I'm not denying the existence of this god of his, it's just that to date haven't seen or heard of any evidential reason to think that there is such a thing as a god, so what would I 'be denying?

No doubt if Vlad does respond to this post no doubt it'll be some garbled, gobbledegooked kind of an incomprehensible response, yet again.

Regards ippy

who cares mate , really , who cares ?

[Walter]

has it all gone tits up on here or something , weird posting?

[ekim]

has it all gone tits up on here or something , weird posting?

... or a possible answer to "How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill"

[Walter]

... or a possible answer to "How The Modern World Makes Us Mentally Ill"

harrumph, that's the closest spelling of the sound that came out of my mouth

[Walter]

To be honest , I probably am mentally ill , who will be my judge ?

who in their right mind would live as I do ? an incident some years ago caused me to rethink everything I held dear  and as result I simply fucked off and became what is commonly known as ''off grid'' but occasionally have Wi-Fi and have to visit a hospital , otherwise I am totally on my own .

In fact ,in some ways this board provides an access to the world I left behind   . Although my grown up children fully understand and we are in  contact as and when .

[Nearly Sane]

To be honest , I probably am mentally ill , who will be my judge ?

who in their right mind would live as I do ? an incident some years ago caused me to rethink everything I held dear  and as result I simply fucked off and became what is commonly known as ''off grid'' but occasionally have Wi-Fi and have to visit a hospital , otherwise I am totally on my own .

In fact ,in some ways this board provides an access to the world I left behind   . Although my grown up children fully understand and we are in  contact as and when .

Fuckin hell, having this board as your access to the world must be a thing. Sort of like trying to understand Wittgenstein by a 1969 Halfords Ford Cortina manual with the even pages missing, the video of the Skandi Girls and fourteen fruit pastilles, none of which are the blackcurrant ones.

[Walter]

Fuckin hell, having this board as your access to the world must be a thing. Sort of like trying to understand Wittgenstein by a 1969 Halfords Ford Cortina manual with the even pages missing, the video of the Skandi Girls and fourteen fruit pastilles, none of which are the blackcurrant ones.

oh man , welcome to my world . At last !!!

[Walter]

in fact I'm embarrassed  by my last comment , I wasn't looking for a portal .

[Nearly Sane]

oh man , welcome to my world . At last !!!

I have one of those days where if I said look how green the grass is, people would arguing it wasn't green, it was hujok

[SusanDoris]

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(Can I just ask: do you find that when you refresh the 'show unread topics' page that proxy has automatically jumped to the next unread one?

[Nearly Sane]

in fact I'm embarrassed  by my last comment , I wasn't looking for a portal .

I can only say those posts where you appear to be not the character you have created are my favourites. Maybe you need to send more through the portal?

[Nearly Sane]

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(Can I just ask: do you find that when you refresh the 'show unread topics' page that proxy has automatically jumped to the next unread one?

I don't use it. I use the recent posts.