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Nearly Sane

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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 02:15:32 PM »

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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2018, 04:41:07 PM »
Perhaps they went to Trump University.
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2018, 09:53:21 AM »
Banning GM food, yes. Relaxing vaccination requirement - NO!. I remember a mad woman on a Facebook group who was an anti-vaccination obsessive - deeply irresponsible. She was eventually banned for derailing every single topic.
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2018, 04:29:39 PM »
Banning GMOs is merely anti vax logic in another guise.

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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2018, 09:44:16 PM »
Banning GM food, yes.
Can you give a rational argument for banning GM food?

 
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2018, 10:57:28 PM »
Can you give a rational argument for banning GM food?
http://www.alphr.com/bioscience/1001568/what-are-genetically-modified-foods-and-why-are-they-controversial
I'm not bothered about "Frankenfoods", which is just superstition, but there are other arguments.
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2018, 11:00:05 PM »
http://www.alphr.com/bioscience/1001568/what-are-genetically-modified-foods-and-why-are-they-controversial
I'm not bothered about "Frankenfoods", which is just superstition, but there are other arguments.

And since the first statement is wrong...

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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2018, 11:02:18 PM »
And since the first statement is wrong...
Why is it wrong?
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2018, 03:55:19 AM »
Why is it wrong?

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Genetically modified foods, often described as GM foods for short, are organisms that have had their DNA altered in a way that wouldn’t have happened if left to nature.

Because the above describes almost everything we eat. Our crops, our livestock have all had their genes altered in ways that wouldn't have happened if left to nature.
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2018, 08:30:49 AM »
The rallying cries against genetically-modified food seem to come from people who are scientifically semi-literate. They know that DNA exists and they have a very basic understanding of its function and operation. One of their core beliefs is that all genetic manipulation will lead to unforeseen results - that, for example - a modification which produces a greater quantity of the desired property of the organism may also produce substances with dangerous qualities.

Therefore, they say, we cannot take the risks. Objections to their views - such as all agricultural products have already been genetically modified - are treated with distain. And they they produce what they think is their trump(!) card - "it" will get out and contaminate the environment by hybridising with traditional varieties.

Because they speak so passionately they are believed.

The only point where I do feel a little (very little) drawn to their argument is when they mention firms like Monsanto which engineer positions of control for themselves by developing product systems with dedicated fertilisers and such. These tie in users to a single supplier.
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Re: Science bad!
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 11:26:39 AM »
Because the above describes almost everything we eat. Our crops, our livestock have all had their genes altered in ways that wouldn't have happened if left to nature.
You know perfectly well what they mean - inserting a gene from something totally unrelated into an organism, as opposed to ordinary selective breeding.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2018, 12:06:43 AM »
You know perfectly well what they mean - inserting a gene from something totally unrelated into an organism, as opposed to ordinary selective breeding.

What is ordinary about selective breeding?

This is the problem, they don't understand the science, if they did they would have been more careful of their definition.

The problem is that they are condemning a general technique instead of looking at the results on a case by case basis. Can GMO products be dangerous? Yes. In one case when they spliced a certain gene from a peanut plant into soya in order to improve the soya crop, they found the resulting soya beans could trigger peanut allergies. That particular avenue was quickly dropped. However, in other cases, GMO crops have proven beneficial. For example, if you breed a crop that needs less insecticide, that's a good thing right? Fewer chemicals sprayed throughout the countryside must be good.

Blindly opposing GMO just for the sake of opposing GMO is stupid. It's like opposing the manufacture of all drugs because sometimes you get bad drugs out like thalidomide or heroin.



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