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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2018, 11:06:41 PM »
I nearly posted a thread on this when the story first broke, but couldn’t think of anything useful to say. More young people dead but we know nothing will change.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2018, 07:13:47 AM »
I Know what you mean, I just thought that saying anything was better than getting to the stage of just letting the news pass by because it's happened so frequently. Even then this is the sixth school shooting this year in the U.S. with someone injured or killed but the others weren't serious enough to get the coverage here.
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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2018, 08:14:24 AM »
But the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms is sacrosanct ...   What will it take to change this?



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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2018, 08:29:34 AM »
I Know what you mean, I just thought that saying anything was better than getting to the stage of just letting the news pass by because it's happened so frequently. Even then this is the sixth school shooting this year in the U.S. with someone injured or killed but the others weren't serious enough to get the coverage here.

Yes I know, and I agree.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2018, 08:31:28 AM »
Another terrible gun tragedy! Why can't the Americans see that gun ownership is the problem? If Trump had his way even babies would carry a gun, he is so supportive of the right for all Americans to bear arms. >:(

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2018, 08:34:08 AM »
Another terrible gun tragedy! Why can't the Americans see that gun ownership is the problem? If Trump had his way even babies would carry a gun, he is so supportive of the right for all Americans to bear arms. >:(

No, he’s supportive of doing whatever it takes to remain in power, and for him that means pandering to the gun lobby. I’ve never heard anything from him that suggests he’s a gun fanatic.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2018, 08:38:54 AM »
No, he’s supportive of doing whatever it takes to remain in power, and for him that means pandering to the gun lobby. I’ve never heard anything from him that suggests he’s a gun fanatic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

That seems like the work of a gun fanatic to me.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 09:26:53 AM »
No, that’s the work of a power fanatic.

He is still fanatical about guns, I have heard him on the topic.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2018, 09:28:53 AM »
Yes I'd agree Rhiannon - he is just playing to his base. He doesn't believe it and he knows that gun control is the right thing to do, but he can't risk alienating the people who got him elected.

It's just sad that his grasping for power is going to cost many, many more people their lives.

We will be back here again all too soon shaking our heads at the self delusion of a large part of the population of the USA, which leads to such carnage on their streets and in their schools.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 09:56:42 AM »
He is still fanatical about guns, I have heard him on the topic.

Did you look st the link? A gun fanatic who was once in favour of gun restriction? Don’t think so. But like many narcissists he knows how to play to his target audience and be very convincing.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2018, 10:03:06 AM »
Oh, America, what will it take to make you understand?
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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2018, 10:09:16 AM »
Sadly, this sort of story from the US is not even newsworthy.

It's just 'situation normal' for them.

There will probably be another to follow somewhere else this year, then next, then next, then next ......
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2018, 10:44:30 AM »
Sadly, this sort of story from the US is not even newsworthy.

It's just 'situation normal' for them.

There will probably be another to follow somewhere else this year, then next, then next, then next ......

It was the second item of news on the Today Programme.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 10:59:29 AM »
It was the second item of news on the Today Programme.
But the other 5 school shootings where people were killed or injured this year weren't - this gets the headlines because it's a high death toll. The basic subject isn't news

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 11:30:49 AM »
But the other 5 school shootings where people were killed or injured this year weren't - this gets the headlines because it's a high death toll. The basic subject isn't news

I was suggesting that the subject wasn't the first item on the news because it is so common in the US. :o

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2018, 11:48:20 AM »
Dear America,

Damn!! How do you even start to get your head around this stupid second amendment, I still feel that they should be asking the actual gun owners what action should be taken to prevent this  woeful waste of life.

Every time I read about this kind of tragedy I always feel that America is a country that has never fully woken up, it kind of still lives in the past, has anyone read Jon Sopels "If only they didn't speak English" after I read it my gut feeling was that it is a country held together with sticking plasters, it feels to me that racism is endemic in that country, half the country thinks the Adam and Eve myth is actual fact.

I have never wanted to visit this country but it has always fascinated me, the huge size, how do you even govern a country that size, anyway forgive my waffling, but this kind of tragedy always leaves me empty with no answers.

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 11:58:13 AM »
I suspect that those in support of the gun lobby would say the answer is more guns - that's been the usual response,

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2018, 11:58:42 AM »
I suspect that those in support of the gun lobby would say the answer is more guns - that's been the usual response,

Agreed. :o

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2018, 12:04:51 PM »
Yes, if only there'd been some teachers who were armed, they would have stopped it - yeah, right.  Still, Trump sent thoughts and prayers, so that makes it alright.
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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2018, 12:06:41 PM »
Yes, if only there'd been some teachers who were armed, they would have stopped it - yeah, right.  Still, Trump sent thoughts and prayers, so that makes it alright.

I am sure the bereaved families feel so much better now! ::)

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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2018, 12:08:39 PM »
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but this kind of tragedy always leaves me empty with no answers.

Waffle away, I suspect that you are not alone in that thought.
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Re: Tragic - again - another school shooting
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2018, 12:25:24 PM »
I heard an interesting comparison from an American writer, that one guy put a bomb in his shoe to blow up a jet, and now everybody has to take their shoes off in airports.   School shootings are almost weekly occurrences, and nothing happens.   Still, there's no point in these comparisons, as we are dealing with an irrational and sentimental sub-stratum in US society, not amenable to reason. 
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