Christians who don't make my skin crawl!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Additional to previous.
Church power is in no way equal to the power of secular authorities.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Secular authorities.

The people who actually get voted for rather than those who think they're entitled to be embedded in the offices of state because of centuries old privilege. Boo! Hiss!

[Maeght]

Secular authorities.

Which are?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The people who actually get voted for rather than those who think they're entitled to be embedded in the offices of state because of centuries old privilege. Boo! Hiss!

The bishops are as voted for as anyone else in the House of Lords.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Which are?

It's silly mind game time again!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Maeght,

Which are?

Parliament, county councils, local councils, that kind of thing. See Reply 526.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Maeght,

Parliament, county councils, local councils, that kind of thing. See Reply 526.

Yes religious are part of the electorate as well and the Lords spiritual comprise 3.3 % of the total number of Lords, religious people are community charge payers also and the percentage of religious representation is far outweighed by secular representation also.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Yes religious are part of the electorate as well and the Lords spiritual comprise 3.3 % of the total number of Lords, religious people are community charge payers also and the percentage of religious representation is far outweighed by secular representation also.

In which bluehillside lets Vladdo try to work out for himself where he’s gone wrong again.

Clue: most of us are part of the electorate, but only one unelected special interest group enjoys privileged access to the legislature, to education, to the media etc.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In which bluehillside lets Vladdo try to work out for himself where he’s gone wrong again.

Let's see Oh yes I outlined what the response in the country has been to the bizarre claims of the NSS that somehow religion is overrepresented.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In which bluehillside lets Vladdo try to work out for himself where he’s gone wrong again.

Clue: most of us are part of the electorate, but only one unelected special interest group enjoys privileged access to the legislature, to education, to the media etc.

Yes and 96.3% of the House of Lords are there on the basis that they are secular. They even have a title Hillside, the Lords temporal.
Vis local government are you saying that other minorities are without office? Or the media.......and that the non religious appointments are overwhelmed by religious ones?

The inescapable fact is Hillside is the only piece of vegetable left to throw is religion and how bad that supposedly is. In the real world that doesn't seem to be flying.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Yes and 96.3% of the House of Lords are there on the basis that they are secular.

Oh dear.

[ippy]

Secular authorities of course.

You don't even realise how little you know about secularism Vlad, it's for certain you haven't even got the beginnings of any kind of understanding it.

Try this Vlad, see if you can get it? Secularists and secularism isn't looking to push out religious belief or put secularism out in front of religious believers, secularism seeks to have both religious and secularist ideas put forward on an equal basis, ie., no special privileges for religious beliefs, nor does secularism want any special privileged place for itself.

I really can't see why the penny hasn't dropped yet Vlad, their's enough religious believers that also want secularism, secularist ideas put into place.

No religious schools we all mix with each other we're all brought up together we all play various sports together, Ding Ding Vlad, come on it's the healthiest lets all get on with each other policy, it'd be good to see more intermarriage as well and that would be more likely with mixing at non-religious schools at the earliest possible starting point of everybody's education, ie., SECULARISM.

Wakey Wakey Vlad at least try to get it!!
   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You don't even realise how little you know about secularism Vlad, it's for certain you haven't even got the beginnings of any kind of understanding it.

Try this Vlad, see if you can get it? Secularists and secularism isn't looking to push out religious belief or put secularism out in front of religious believers, secularism seeks to have both religious and secularist ideas put forward on an equal basis, ie., no special privileges for religious beliefs, nor does secularism want any special privileged place for itself.

I really can't see why the penny hasn't dropped yet Vlad, their's enough religious believers that also want secularism, secularist ideas put into place.

No religious schools we all mix with each other we're all brought up together we all play various sports together, Ding Ding Vlad, come on it's the healthiest lets all get on with each other policy, it'd be good to see more intermarriage as well and that would be more likely with mixing at non-religious schools at the earliest possible starting point of everybody's education, ie., SECULARISM.

Wakey Wakey Vlad at least try to get it!!
 

And I will say it one more time Ippy. How can religious ideas be put forward on an equal basis with secular ideas in a secular society? They can't and they aren't Ippy.
And what the NSS don't tell you is that the House of Lords is designed to represent secular ideas as opposed to religious ones. The House of Lords is divided into the Lords spiritual 3.3% and the Lords temporal( another term for secular ) at present at 96.7%.
Such secular over representation is written into the constitution.

There is therefore no case for the NSS.

[bluehillside Retd.]

And I will say it one more time Ippy. How can religious ideas be put forward on an equal basis with secular ideas in a secular society? They can't and they aren't Ippy.
And what the NSS don't tell you is that the House of Lords is designed to represent secular ideas as opposed to religious ones. The House of Lords is divided into the Lords spiritual 3.3% and the Lords temporal( another term for secular ) at present at 96.7%.
Such secular over representation is written into the constitution.

There is therefore no case for the NSS.

In which Vladdo continues to display his desperate failure to grasp (or wilful misrepresentation of) what "secularism" actually means and entails.

[Maeght]

It's silly mind game time again!

Not at all, don't be paranoid..I wanted to be clear on who yiu were referring to.

[Maeght]

Maeght,

Parliament, county councils, local councils, that kind of thing. See Reply 526.

Saw that thanks, but wanted Private Fraser to clarify who he was referring to.

[Maeght]

Yes religious are part of the electorate as well and the Lords spiritual comprise 3.3 % of the total number of Lords, religious people are community charge payers also and the percentage of religious representation is far outweighed by secular representation also.

People of religion can be elected of course, but just because they are religious shouldn't mean they get any favoured route to power and influence.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In which Vladdo continues to display his desperate failure to grasp (or wilful misrepresentation of) what "secularism" actually means and entails.

Nonsense. The terms Lords temporal means secular Lords.

What then can the basis be for a complaint about the status quo be other than antireligious?
Same for boiling down the humanist UK objections in which they practically own up to not taking the option to start their own schools in order not to queer the pitch for their moan about religious privilege, some nonsense which imho sleights schools about objective teaching of RE leaving the reader with the notion that religion is intrinsically a bad thing is what it's really all about

[Walt Zingmatilder]

People of religion can be elected of course, but just because they are religious shouldn't mean they get any favoured route to power and influence.

They are not as favoured as people going in on a secular ticket from the House of Lords down

[Maeght]

They are not as favoured as people going in on a secular ticket from the House of Lords down

In what way are people who support secularism favoured?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In what way are people who support secularism favoured?

I didn't say secularism I said secular ticket.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Nonsense. The terms Lords temporal means secular Lords.

In which Vladdo continues to parade his fundamental and apparently wilful ignorance of what secularism actually means and entails. His mistake (that theism and secularism are opposites when they actually occupy different epistemic categories) his been explained many times so there’s little point in doing it again.

What then can the basis be for a complaint about the status quo be other than antireligious?

In which Vladdo fails to grasp that the “basis for a complaint” isn’t “antireligious” at all – it’s anti- special privileges for the religious.
 

Same for boiling down the humanist UK objections in which they practically own up to not taking the option to start their own schools in order not to queer the pitch for their moan about religious privilege, some nonsense which imho sleights schools about objective teaching of RE leaving the reader with the notion that religion is intrinsically a bad thing is what it's really all about

Oh dear.

[Maeght]

I didn't say secularism I said secular ticket.

Ok.So what do you mean by that?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Maeght,

Ok.So what do you mean by that?

What he means by it is the lie that secularism means "antireligious" rather than its actual meaning of anti-special privileges for the religious. The irony of that by the way is that secular societies are far better guarantors of religious freedoms than theocracies are because the latter routinely set about killing off faiths other than their own.

[ippy]

And I will say it one more time Ippy. How can religious ideas be put forward on an equal basis with secular ideas in a secular society? They can't and they aren't Ippy.
And what the NSS don't tell you is that the House of Lords is designed to represent secular ideas as opposed to religious ones. The House of Lords is divided into the Lords spiritual 3.3% and the Lords temporal( another term for secular ) at present at 96.7%.
Such secular over representation is written into the constitution.

There is therefore no case for the NSS.

Go somewhere and take any counselling you can get.

Much needed Kind regards Vald, ippy