If you really got that you might have some inkling on why I am not happy with contemporary secularism. Because the language of secularism is atheist. It also rejects previous definitions and understanding of what secularism actually meant and that this rejection is being done by the atheists who have hijacked the agenda.
To give Baggini his due he does hark back to a time when nobody saw a real problem with the HOL either because there was an extravagant/underwhelming 3.3% of Lords spiritual or say the labour party ''not doing religion'' as that was taken as read.
To me that there are Lords spiritual at parliament could remind us that we are more than just a number, an elector, an acquisitive materialist demographic. That is why we should be getting more world viewers of a different stripe into the lords spiritual rather than abolish it.
No I don't see why you say "I am not happy with contemporary secularism. Because the language of secularism is atheist. It also rejects previous definitions and understanding of what secularism actually meant and that this rejection is being done by the atheists who have hijacked the agenda", because secularism is as near to neutral as you'll ever get in anything organised by humans, secularism doesn't have an agenda other than, 'fair shares for all and no privilege for anyone'.
The trouble is, religious organisations have so many privileges they've gained over the years and still have, then people like yourself have got so used to the many privileges the religions have you don't see them as privileges any more, then when someone points out one of the many privileges religions have, to people like yourself the next thing we hear from you is persecution.
Generally I don't mind people having these religious beliefs, I think religious people are either gullible or they have been indoctrinated when very young, what other reason would there be to take up religious beliefs? Especially when there is as near to zero viable evidence around to be found that might of backed up any of the main religious beliefs.
Where religious belief makes me see red is the way the religious believers make a point of getting their grubby hands on the pre seven year old children in one way or another, seven year old children as the religious are well aware this is the age where, on average, youngsters acquire the ability to challenge, talk about the religious dirty tricks department.
Apart from that last lot just above this, I feel sad for people that hold these beliefs but don't look on them as enemies, it's the privileges that will have to go no matter who has them, in other words as a system secularism has to be the one, it's pro everybody and fair play for all, their's no way around fair play for all Vlad, if you say anything different you must be talking from the other end, without engaging the brain, try to not make an even bigger fool of yourself, put your hands up admit it, you've got it wrong.
Regards ippy
