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Walt Zingmatilder

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Civilisations.
« on: March 01, 2018, 01:54:50 PM »
Civilisations on BBC tonight.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 08:44:35 PM »
Yes! Focussing on history of art, earliest signs of creativity found in cave paintings in South Africa. I've booked my seat.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 09:14:36 PM »
Struggling with the hubris. The better than Civilisation seems a mistake to take on - let us see.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 10:12:44 PM »
Wasn't a bad intro - Shauma's never been my favourite for this kind of thing, but he wasn't bad. Let's see how Mary Beard does with next week's.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 10:44:33 PM »
Agree, it was pretty good and I am not Schama's biggest fan. (Though I liked Dead Certainties)
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 07:57:40 AM »
Fell asleep but what I saw was good. I think David Osolugo's delivery is closest to Clark's so looking forward to his programme.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 08:21:21 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 09:41:19 AM »
Right, you lot. Competition time. I've watched episode 2 on iplayer. Mary Beard, whom I usually admire for her grasp of facts, made a rather big mistake within the first eight minutes..... Anyone spot it?
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 11:15:58 AM »
Quote from: Anchorman on March 02, 2018, 09:41:19 AM
Right, you lot. Competition time. I've watched episode 2 on iplayer. Mary Beard, whom I usually admire for her grasp of facts, made a rather big mistake within the first eight minutes..... Anyone spot it?
Give her theory, that is hers and nobody elses, that dinosaurs are thin at one end fat in the middle and thin at the other ?
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 06:59:51 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on March 02, 2018, 09:41:19 AM
Right, you lot. Competition time. I've watched episode 2 on iplayer. Mary Beard, whom I usually admire for her grasp of facts, made a rather big mistake within the first eight minutes..... Anyone spot it?
Nope, I watched it while not looking out for such a mistake but didn't notice anything. I did note that it is very influenced by John Berger's Ways of Seeing which I linked to on here previously which was always an interesting counterpoint to the original Civilisation.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 07:08:42 PM »
Watching the 3rd part and it feels very unfocussed and disjointed. Not sure Schama is doing much than going around talking randomly about art that has nature in it in some way, and it's like there are different programmes being made.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 07:20:44 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 02, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
Nope, I watched it while not looking out for such a mistake but didn't notice anything. I did note that it is very influenced by John Berger's Ways of Seeing which I linked to on here previously which was always an interesting counterpoint to the original Civilisation.
 
   






Geeky stuff I know, but she was waxing lyrical about the graffiti on the Colossi of Memnon...and said they were the guardian statues to Amenhotep's tomb.
No, they weren't.....'cos Amenhotep III's tomb, labelled WV 25, is around three and a half miles from the statues.
They were two of an original three statues which were part of the entrance to an enormous 'mansion of millions of years' - a funeral temple, the biggest ever built in Egypt; now little remains, ancient kings having nicked most of it for their own monuments. There have been significant finds of cached statues there in the last few decades.
It was a mistake she shouldn't have made.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 10:01:24 PM »
Sorry, missed that. Watching Schama talk about Las Meninas which is maybe the 4th greatest work of painting I think of
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2018, 11:03:29 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2018, 11:35:34 AM »
How could anyone visit Petra and not consider its connection with the Holy Grail?  :o

I did watch the programme and it failed to arouse much of a reaction in me. I remember being glued to the screen during Clark's programmes (and also Jacob Bronowski's "follow up" on science).
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2018, 02:48:02 PM »
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How could anyone visit Petra and not consider its connection with the Holy Grail?  :o

I did watch the programme and it failed to arouse much of a reaction in me. I remember being glued to the screen during Clark's programmes (and also Jacob Bronowski's "follow up" on science).
   





Spent months on a dig at Tanis and never once found a well of souls either.....
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2018, 03:00:15 PM »
Very enjoyable, but Schama does over egg the pudding, in terms of how tremendous this little piece of stone is, and now here is something even more tremendous.   Still, great pics.

It does seem true that by enlarging the scope, they have reduced the intellectual content, or you might say, taken away any strong thread, and replaced with vague stuff about how wonderful humans are cos they make stuff.   True enough. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2018, 07:10:50 PM »
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Spent months on a dig at Tanis and never once found a well of souls either.....
It was destroyed in the thirties by a treasure hunter escaping from the Nazis.
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 09:28:30 PM »
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It was destroyed in the thirties by a treasure hunter escaping from the Nazis.
   
Y'know, the writers of the 'lost Ark' didn't choose Tanis at random.
There were pretty major finds in Tanis made in the late 1930s - a series of intact Pharonic tombs, yielding solod silver coffins and gold masks as superb as that nicked for Tutankhamun's use.
And the Nazis were sort of involved: They tried to bribe the French Egyptologist, Pierre Montet, to smuggle some of the staggering amount of gold and bling he found there...but they picked the wrong man to bribe- and all the stuff was meticulously excavated ind is now in Cairo Museum - and it's a high horse of mine that it doesn't get the publicity it deserves!
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2018, 01:16:05 PM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on March 03, 2018, 11:35:34 AM
How could anyone visit Petra and not consider its connection with the Holy Grail?  :o
An intellectual is someone who hears Petra mentioned and doesn't think of Blue Peter.  https://pictures.abebooks.com/CHARLESBOSSOM/6759031241.jpg
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2018, 02:07:13 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on March 04, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
An intellectual is someone who hears Petra mentioned and doesn't think of Blue Peter.  https://pictures.abebooks.com/CHARLESBOSSOM/6759031241.jpg
   


And a Christian intellectual remembers not only the site, but the brilliant Christian rock group!
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2018, 03:20:43 PM »
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And a Christian intellectual remembers not only the site, but the brilliant Christian rock group!
"Brilliant Christian Rock Group" is probably an oxymoron - at least, all the Christian rock and pop groups I've ever heard have been absolutely dire, though I admit I haven't explored deeply in the genre.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2018, 04:00:04 PM »
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And a Christian intellectual remembers not only the site, but the brilliant Christian rock group!

Which so called Christian 'rock' group was that (& which Christian intellectual)? I gave up with Phatfish and Delirious.

I have watched the first half of the programme and will watch the rest. Nothing was said or portrayed that hasn't been said or shown before but from an artistic point of view, much was, from my pov, aesthetically beautiful which appeals to me.
   

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2018, 05:55:52 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on March 04, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
An intellectual is someone who hears Petra mentioned and doesn't think of Blue Peter.  https://pictures.abebooks.com/CHARLESBOSSOM/6759031241.jpg
7/10 for that one  :)
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2018, 07:20:09 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on March 04, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
Which so called Christian 'rock' group was that (& which Christian intellectual)? I gave up with Phatfish and Delirious.

I have watched the first half of the programme and will watch the rest. Nothing was said or portrayed that hasn't been said or shown before but from an artistic point of view, much was, from my pov, aesthetically beautiful which appeals to me.
   


Petra?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU6Rb1_6aZwdU9JoY0vQDKCvfPBRVsUvD


There you go.
Not challenging, but when I lost the ability to read, and before I got access to electronic gadgetry, it helped!
I didn't do classical music at the time....and choral music still gives me the shudders.
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