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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 10:39:07 AM »
OK, so some professor's been accused of misconduct and suspended while an investigation tales place - he's denied the accusations and has produced a lengthy rebuttal.

Why is his antitheism (if he is - I'd never heard of him) relevant?

Why is this in the Theism and Atheism section?
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 11:59:58 AM »
OK, so some professor's been accused of misconduct and suspended while an investigation tales place - he's denied the accusations and has produced a lengthy rebuttal.

Why is his antitheism (if he is - I'd never heard of him) relevant?

Why is this in the Theism and Atheism section?

It is not relevent; it is just a Christian trying to negate the various accusations made against the clergy - which have often been proven to be true!
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2018, 12:19:01 PM »
Prominent Christian banned from the FSA!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43300603

As Krauss's atheism is no more relevant to his story than this joker's Christianity is relevant to his, even by Vlad''s standards this is pretty contemptible.
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2018, 03:13:49 PM »
Prominent Christian banned from the FSA!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43300603

As Krauss's atheism is no more relevant to his story than this joker's Christianity is relevant to his,
Is that very relevant or not relevant at all?

Krauss's atheism hasn't been mentioned. Only his antitheism.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 03:17:21 PM by Private ''Groovejet'' Frazer »

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2018, 03:19:01 PM »
Is he a prominent antitheist? Never heard of him.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2018, 03:20:13 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/science/lawrence-krauss-arizona-state.html

I don't understand why his non belief is mentioned, it is what he is accused of doing, which is news.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2018, 03:24:05 PM »
I don't understand why his non belief is mentioned, it is what he is accused of doing, which is news.
His non belief is not mentioned by me, Only his antitheism.
Apparently he eschews the title atheist but publicly identifies as an antitheist.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2018, 03:34:03 PM »
His non belief is not mentioned by me, Only his antitheism.
Apparently he eschews the title atheist but publicly identifies as an antitheist.

Whatever, but it hasn't anything to do with the sexual misconduct accusations.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2018, 08:16:33 PM »
Yes LR
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2018, 01:20:55 PM »
Here’s what the article actually says:

Arizona State University has suspended Lawrence M. Krauss, a prominent theoretical physicist, while the university investigates accusations of sexual misconduct over a decade.

“In an effort to avoid further disruption to the normal course of business as the university continues to gather facts about the allegations, Krauss has been placed on paid leave and is prohibited from being on campus for the duration of the review,” the university said in a statement released on Tuesday.

Last month, BuzzFeed reported that several women have accused Dr. Krauss of inappropriate behavior including groping women and making sexist jokes.

The university said it would not release any additional details until its investigation is complete.

Dr. Krauss, a professor in the university’s School of Earth and Space Exploration, is director of Arizona State’s Origins Project, a multidisciplinary research effort to tackle questions about life, the universe and complex social problems. He gained prominence for his book, “The Physics of Star Trek” in 1995. He later became one of the leaders of the so-called “skeptics” movement that espouses science over religion. He has also written essays and Op-Ed articles that were published in The Times.


And he’s how Vladdo twised it:

Prominent antitheist suspended

Not “prominent theoretical physicist suspended” (as the article says), not ”prominent academic suspended”, nor even “prominent science writer suspended”. Nope, he attempts the slur by first eliding “skeptic” into “antitheist”, and then by associating it with the suspension as if there was a relationship between the two.

It’s disgraceful stuff, but I for one expect no better.
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2018, 02:07:32 PM »
Hillside my only statement on this is that he is a prominent antitheist and he has been suspended. Suspension is a neutral act. He has then as far as we know done nothing.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2018, 02:15:09 PM »
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Hillside my only statement on this is that he is a prominent antitheist and he has been suspended. Suspension is a neutral act. He has then as far as we know done nothing.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2018, 02:24:02 PM »
Anyone is able to read exactly what I have said on this thread.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2018, 03:57:24 PM »
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Anyone is able to read exactly what I have said on this thread.

Quite. Coming soon from the Vlad the ad hominist the next time Theresa May or Tony Blair or David Cameron is accused of something he doesn’t like:

Prominent Christian….etc

Or perhaps not.
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2018, 09:12:03 PM »
The difference between prominent Christians committing sexual assault and prominent atheists is zero in terms of the seriousness of the offence. However, it’s only Christians that try To force medieval morality on the rest of us.
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2018, 07:48:09 AM »
Quite. Coming soon from the Vlad the ad hominist the next time Theresa May or Tony Blair or David Cameron is accused of something he doesn’t like:

Prominent Christian….etc

Or perhaps not.
Bad analogy since the person in question is prominent as and for being an antitheist whereas the current and former Prime ministers are not particularly prominent for their religion.

Religionethics is precisely the place one would find reference to prominent antitheists. Why then the consternation?
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2018, 08:02:55 AM »
Bad analogy since the person in question is prominent as and for being an antitheist
I thought he was 'prominent' for being academic theoretical physicist.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 09:49:56 AM »
Prof,

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I thought he was 'prominent' for being academic theoretical physicist.

He is, and for being an academic, a Star Trek commentator, a biographer, a cosmologist, the Foundation Professor of the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University, and director of its Origins Project. He's also a prominent advocate of the public understanding of science.

What Vlad did was to pick the one characteristic he wanted to slur (his atheism), re-describe is as "antitheism" (something he does a lot, being a dysphemist) and then attempt the nasty little slur by implied association (""Prominent antitheist suspended").

Actually it's only a story about an academic being suspended because of an accusation - presumably a not uncommon experience in academia - and reporting it here even without the slur would at best be just gossip.
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2018, 09:57:19 AM »
Prof,

He is, and for being an academic, a Star Trek commentator, a biographer, a cosmologist, the Foundation Professor of the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University, and director of its Origins Project. He's also a prominent advocate of the public understanding of science.

And he's a prominent  antitheist.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2018, 10:11:51 AM by Private ''Groovejet'' Frazer »

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2018, 10:15:43 AM »


What Vlad did was to pick the one characteristic he wanted to slur (his atheism), re-describe is as "antitheism"

Did he not described himself as an antitheist at the World Economic Forum?

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 03:54:28 PM »
Wow, one of the sleaziest OPs I've seen. 
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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2018, 04:13:45 PM »
Did he not described himself as an antitheist at the World Economic Forum?

No idea: since you mention it perhaps you should check and let us know.

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2018, 04:29:05 PM »
No idea: since you mention it perhaps you should check and let us know.

Here he is. Check at three minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d8NthEFWow

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Re: Prominent antitheist suspended
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2018, 05:01:46 PM »
Wow, one of the sleaziest OPs I've seen.

Pretty much.