Prominent antitheist suspended

[Robbie]

I don't get how the man's beliefs have anything to do with his alleged misconduct. It would be the same regardless.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Wiggs,

Wow, one of the sleaziest OPs I've seen.

Yup - doesn't get much more contemptible really. Let's dig down through any manner of awards, accolades, achievements until I find something about him I don't like (that also happens to be one of the least significant and interesting things about him) then let's associate that with his suspension in an OP in the hope some of the mud sticks to it.

I have no words really.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Robbie,

I don't get how the man's beliefs have anything to do with his alleged misconduct. It would be the same regardless.

They haven't. Vlad's attempting an associative slur.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Wiggs,

Yup - doesn't get much more contemptible really. Let's dig down through any manner of awards, accolades, achievements until I find something about him I don't like (that also happens to be one of the least significant and interesting things about him) then let's associate that with his suspension in an OP in the hope some of the mud sticks to it.

I have no words really.

So, Hillside. How would you describe yourself here? A defender of Krauss, A defender of antitheism, or an attacker of Vlad?

[splashscuba]

So, Hillside. How would you describe yourself here? A defender of Krauss, A defender of antitheism, or an attacker of Vlad?

He doesn't really need to do that

[Owlswing]

Wow, one of the sleaziest OPs I've seen.

What else do you expect from this poster on this subject? Objectivity?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I don't get how the man's beliefs have anything to do with his alleged misconduct. It would be the same regardless.

Closer research of the case would answer your questions on this.

[Maeght]

Presumably the link was posted to make a point. If that point was expressed it might be easier to discuss it.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Presumably the link was posted to make a point. If that point was expressed it might be easier to discuss it.

Many threads start with a link and discussion ensues because people have read it. I can understand why there is unease at discussing this topic.

[Stranger]

Many threads start with a link and discussion ensues because people have read it

I read it and my reaction was in reply #1:

OK, so some professor's been accused of misconduct and suspended while an investigation tales place - he's denied the accusations and has produced a lengthy rebuttal.

Why is his antitheism (if he is - I'd never heard of him) relevant?

Why is this in the Theism and Atheism section?

My questions still stand.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I read it and my reaction was in reply #1:

My questions still stand.

This should indicate why this case is of interest to this forum.

https://americanhumanist.org/press-releases/aha-cuts-ties-with-lawrence-krauss/

[Stranger]

This should indicate why this case is of interest to this forum.

https://americanhumanist.org/press-releases/aha-cuts-ties-with-lawrence-krauss/

And....?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

And....?

I make no further comment. There are as Jerry Coyne puts it in his blog concerning the affair ''Finders of fact'' working on the impact on the scientific community and presumably also the atheist and skeptic community and I feel we need to wait for there findings.

Only in that light can the implications for New atheism unfold and presumably atheists and skeptics judged on their response to this.

[bluehillside Retd.]

The only "story" here concerns an attempt by a poster at a nasty little slur by association. As for Krauss, an academic has been suspended pending investigation of some accusations of misconduct made against him. Whether innocent, guilty or somewhere in between has bugger all to do with the quality of his work in the various fields in which he operates.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The only "story" here concerns an attempt by a poster at a nasty little slur by association.

Whether a ''move on nothing to see here'' or a ''shoot the messenger'' approach in the light of the implications of this and the response by several organisations and key personalities in non religious organisations and movements is ultimately appropriate depends on the final implications including the result of findings.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Whether innocent, guilty or somewhere in between has bugger all to do with the quality of his work in the various fields in which he operates.

I haven't suggested it is. Red herring argument.

[Maeght]

Many threads start with a link and discussion ensues because people have read it. I can understand why there is unease at discussing this topic.

You must have had a reason for posting the link. There isn't unease at discussing the topic. The unease is about any point you were trying to make.

[Maeght]

I make no further comment. There are as Jerry Coyne puts it in his blog concerning the affair ''Finders of fact'' working on the impact on the scientific community and presumably also the atheist and skeptic community and I feel we need to wait for there findings.

Only in that light can the implications for New atheism unfold and presumably atheists and skeptics judged on their response to this.

You say you make no further comment- then do.

Why would an individual who is a scientist, atheist and a self declared antitheist being accused of this have anything to do with the scientific community, New Atheism, atheists etc? Please explain why you think it should.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You must have had a reason for posting the link. There isn't unease at discussing the topic. The unease is about any point you were trying to make.

If there is no unease about discussing the topic one wonders why it isn't being discussed. I can see reasons why atheists and antitheists would rather focus on me ( according to Hillside I am the ''only'' story) than the topic and the implications of it.

[Stranger]

If there is no unease about discussing the topic one wonders why it isn't being discussed. I can see reasons why atheists and antitheists would rather focus on me ( according to Hillside I am the ''only'' story) than the topic and the implications of it.

What topic and what implications?

Some guy who's a scientist and an atheist has been accused of misconduct - whether he turns out to be guilty or not, I don't see what there is to discuss or what implications there might be for theism or atheism (this section of the forum).

[Maeght]

If there is no unease about discussing the topic one wonders why it isn't being discussed. I can see reasons why atheists and antitheists would rather focus on me ( according to Hillside I am the ''only'' story) than the topic and the implications of it.

What do you want discussed?

It is because you posted trying to make some point that people are talking about that rather than what you hoped people would be talking about. Come clean on what point you were trying to make.

[Robbie]

I don't get it either. PrivateF please explain what you mean, plainly.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What do you want discussed?

It is because you posted trying to make some point that people are talking about that rather than what you hoped people would be talking about. Come clean on what point you were trying to make.

What I would hope would be discussed is the issue but I do understand people reserving comment until they have further data. But then they would say this and /or find more data/information.

What I cannot understand is given the issue some have concluded that the only issue here is what I personally am up to. Unless they are using it as a diversion from the main issue.

[Nearly Sane]

What I would hope would be discussed is the issue but I do understand people reserving comment until they have further data. But then they would say this and /or find more data/information.

What I cannot understand is given the issue some have concluded that the only issue here is what I personally am up to. Unless they are using it as a diversion from the main issue.

You keep being asked what issue/what implication and your answer to that here is no answer. So for about the 30th time in this thread. WHAT ISSUE/ WHAT IMPLICATIONS?

[Maeght]

What I would hope would be discussed is the issue but I do understand people reserving comment until they have further data. But then they would say this and /or find more data/information.

What I cannot understand is given the issue some have concluded that the only issue here is what I personally am up to. Unless they are using it as a diversion from the main issue.

What issue do you mean?