Prominent antitheist suspended

[Maeght]

I think it's too soon to say and I wouldn't want to prejudice anything. That's me...... though implications are already occuring in the New Atheist community.

What implications?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Do people contributing to this post look as though they are acknowledging the issue here and it's implications for Theism and atheism? I would say they look as if they aren't and that isn't a good look.

Presumably because there's fuck all reason to think there is an "issue" for "antitheism" as Vlad puts it, despite his being asked to suggest one several times now.

[bluehillside Retd.]

I acknowledge Robbies statement that the religious find themselves in the same position.

That wasn't Robbie's statement. Robbie's statement was that religious people have a particular problem when their religious beliefs are actually relevant to the charges against them.

You know, exactly unlike the Krauss case...

[Nearly Sane]

Do people contributing to this post look as though they are acknowledging the issue here and it's implications for Theism and atheism? I would say they look as if they aren't and that isn't a good look.

I acknowledge Robbies statement that the religious find themselves in the same position. But it remains that a) Communities have to take accusations seriously b) that the suspension of links between prominent atheists and atheist organisations is a significant development in the history of contemporary atheism c) that Dr Krauss is the subject of enquiry and not as yet judgment and thus the question is are the suspension of links justified?

And in view of that what are we to make of using this thread, rather than in consideration of all this, to jump on Vlad. That looks the Fred and Ginger of displacement behaviour.

What implications? Why are you just ignoring posts that ask you that? And then misrepresenting them? Why are you continually lying? Why the need to be so dishonest? Robbie asked the question and you have ignored that and tgen used her as if she didn't. Why do you lie so much?

[Stranger]

Do people contributing to this post look as though they are acknowledging the issue here and it's implications for Theism and atheism?

What implications? Why won't you say?

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

Robbie asked the question and you have ignored that and tgen used her as if she didn't.

Actually what he did was lie about Robbie's statement by claiming it to say one thing (that religious people are in the same position as non-religious ones) when in fact it expressly said the opposite of that - ie, that there's a big difference with religious people when their religiosity is relevant to the story:

"However if you're trying to compare this case to cases where religious people have committed sexual misdemeanours, there's a vast difference.

A religious person may well use religiosity as a cover for acts of abuse, almost a protection, which is horrendous & is how so many got away with it in the past.

An 'antitheist' as you describe him is not going to be able to hide behind his antitheism any more than an eminent geographer would be shielded by geography."

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What implications? Why are you just ignoring posts that ask you that? And then misrepresenting them? Why are you continually lying? Why the need to be so dishonest? Robbie asked the question and you have ignored that and tgen used her as if she didn't. Why do you lie so much?

I don't think I have to spell out what questions will be asked whichever way this case pans out..... whichever sand the wee corner of the atheist community known as religionethics have their heads buried or not.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think I have to spell out what questions will be asked whichever way this case pans out.

Er yes , I rather suggest you do. Can you please stop lying by evasion? Or is it something you cannot stop? 

[bluehillside Retd.]

I don't think I have to spell out what questions will be asked whichever way this case pans out.

In which Vlad just pretends that that isn't exactly what he has to do if the charge of slurring "antitheism" (or atheism, or humanism) by implying a link with misconduct charges isn't to stick.

[Robbie]

You do PvteFrazier!  Will people say, "For shame, what else are these antitheist academics hiding? They're all the same, can't trust any of them".  No!

If I was HR manager of a big city firm and an executive in that firm was accused of sexual misconduct, I would issue a statement along the lines of, "We take the allegations seriously....have strict company policies... suspended pending further investigations".

Whilst I & others might feel worried, upset, disappointed, embarrassed, in no way would the accused person be able to hide behind their executive role, nor would anyone think their role had anything to do with the accusations.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You do PvteFrazier!  Will people say, "For shame, what else are these antitheist academics hiding? They're all the same, can't trust any of them".  No!

If I was HR manager of a big city firm and an executive in that firm was accused of sexual misconduct, I would issue a statement along the lines of, "We take the allegations seriously....have strict company policies... suspended pending further investigations".

Whilst I & others might feel worried, upset, disappointed, embarrassed, in no way would the accused person be able to hide behind their executive role, nor would anyone think their role had anything to do with the accusations.

Yes and multiple organisations have taken this route in the case in question.

[Gordon]

Yes and multiple organisations have taken this route in the case in question.

So they have: so why aren't you satisfied that steps to review his conduct are in progress, since you concede that they are in progress?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So they have: so why aren't you satisfied that steps to review his conduct are in progress, since you concede that they are in progress?

Are you talking to me?

[Nearly Sane]

Are you talking to me?

And tonight Matthew, I will be  being Travis Bickle

[Gordon]

Are you talking to me?

Seems that way, since I quoted your post. Do pay attention!

[Stranger]

Yes and multiple organisations have taken this route in the case in question.

As one would expect - so what? What are the these implications for theism and/or atheism that you keep going on about...?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So they have: so why aren't you satisfied that steps to review his conduct are in progress, since you concede that they are in progress?

I haven't expressed dissatisfaction! Keep up Gordon!
What I am saying is that there is great movement in the wider atheist community. Unfortunately the only movement of that part of the atheist and skeptic community on this thread seems to be moving swiftly on nothing to see here and the shooting of the messenger and of course the rotation of the house turdpolisher.

[Stranger]

What I am saying is that there is great movement in the wider atheist community.

Is there? Where? What's moving?

[Maeght]

I don't think I have to spell out what questions will be asked whichever way this case pans out..... whichever sand the wee corner of the atheist community known as religionethics have their heads buried or not.

You've suggested there are implications. You shouild be able to say what they are in your view.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Is there? Where? What's moving?

Sphincters........I would imagine.

[Gordon]

I haven't expressed dissatisfaction! Keep up Gordon!
What I am saying is that there is great movement in the wider atheist community. Unfortunately the only movement of that part of the atheist and skeptic community on this thread seems to be moving swiftly on nothing to see here and the shooting of the messenger and of course the rotation of the house turdpolisher.

So if your are happy the accusations are being investigated why are you indulging in both unrelated character assassination (his scientific work is a separate matter) or implying that his alleged behaviour has wider 'implications' involving atheism, where you have yet to set out what you think these implications are?

[jeremyp]

Hey Vlad, what about this prominent theist?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hey Vlad, what about this prominent theist?

He is being tried isn't he. If found guilty he will have ruined the lives of his victims and IMV countless others as well.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So if your are happy the accusations are being investigated why are you indulging in both unrelated character assassination

I'm not.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm not.

yep, your aren't. Lying on the other hand and evasion about the implications/issues, you are doing lots