Prominent antitheist suspended

[Gordon]

I'm not.

So, when in response to it being pointed out that organisations tend to suspend and investigate you said 'multiple organisations have taken this route in the case in question', which read to me like an acknowledgement that these accusations against Krauss are being investigated, what exactly are you unhappy about? 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So, when in response to it being pointed out that organisations tend to suspend and investigate you said 'multiple organisations have taken this route in the case in question', which read to me like an acknowledgement that these accusations against Krauss are being investigated, what exactly are you unhappy about?

I think you are probably talking about my observation that rather commenting on it or not posters are acting as if the issue is me raising the issue rather than the issue itself.

[Nearly Sane]

I think you are probably talking about my observation that rather commenting on it or not posters are acting as if the issue is me raising the issue rather than the issue itself.

you mean the 'issue' that lots of posters have asked what it is, and you haven't answered and are lying about? Why are you lying?

[Gordon]

I think you are probably talking about my observation that rather commenting on it or not posters are acting as if the issue is me raising the issue rather than the issue itself.

I suspect some of us are wondering why you are making such a meal of this: nobody seems to be disagreeing that his suspension is a necessary part of the investigation process.

Why would antitheists or atheists want to divert attention away from a report of a prominent antitheist accused of misconduct and other prominent atheists and atheist and humanist organisations suspending links?

Nobody is: we all agree that these accusations require investigation and that while this is ongoing his professional positions are untenable.

We've seen similar scenarios with the likes of sports people, entertainers and politicians but you alone here seem to think the case of Krauss is fundamentally different because he is a known atheist, and I've no idea why your cage is so rattled on this aspect: perhaps you'd enlighten us as to your specific concerns (which remain a mystery).

[Maeght]

I think you are probably talking about my observation that rather commenting on it or not posters are acting as if the issue is me raising the issue rather than the issue itself.

Private Fraser,

The allegations are serious and if proven to be true then appropriate action should be taken. Such behaviour is not acceptable. He has denied the allegations and they are being investigated.

Why is his antitheism relevant?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

you mean the 'issue' that lots of posters have asked what it is, and you haven't answered and are lying about? Why are you lying?

Lots of people asked what the issue is. Answer prominent antitheist suspended. When did I not supply that?

When the record is cast will they say ''The Krauss affair.....They did some serious burying of that on religionethics''?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Private Fraser,

The allegations are serious and if proven to be true then appropriate action should be taken. Such behaviour is not acceptable. He has denied the allegations and they are being investigated.

Why is his antitheism relevant?

If you have read the documents and links I don't understand why you are asking that.

[Maeght]

Lots of people asked what the issue is. Answer prominent antitheist suspended. When did I not supply that?

When the record is cast will they say ''The Krauss affair.....They did some serious burying of that on religionethics''?

No one has buried it. From the first reply it was addressed.

[Maeght]

If you have read the documents and links I don't understand why you are asking that.

I have, but do not see what you are getting at. Why not just state it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I suspect some of us are wondering why you are making such a meal of this: nobody seems to be disagreeing that his suspension is a necessary part of the investigation process.

Nobody is: we all agree that these accusations require investigation and that while this is ongoing his professional positions are untenable.

We've seen similar scenarios with the likes of sports people, entertainers and politicians but you alone here seem to think the case of Krauss is fundamentally different because he is a known atheist, and I've no idea why your cage is so rattled on this aspect: perhaps you'd enlighten us as to your specific concerns (which remain a mystery).

Sorry Gordon once again I don't recognise myself as the subject of your post.

[Nearly Sane]

Lots of people asked what the issue is. Answer prominent antitheist suspended. When did I not supply that?

When the record is cast will they say ''The Krauss affair.....They did some serious burying of that on religionethics''?

More lying! No one has said you haven't said that but asked what the significance is? And you ignore again. Do you like lying? Does it excite you in some way?

[Nearly Sane]

If you have read the documents and links I don't understand why you are asking that.

And yet people are, and you continue to evade in your dishonest approach. Why lie?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

More lying! No one has said you haven't said that but asked what the significance is? And you ignore again. Do you like lying? Does it excite you in some way?

For heaven's sake. Do you not know the associations here? Are you not aware of the potential shitstorm?

I cannot help you people.

[Nearly Sane]

Lots of people asked what the issue is. Answer prominent antitheist suspended. When did I not supply that?

When the record is cast will they say ''The Krauss affair.....They did some serious burying of that on religionethics''?

why are you lying when no one has buried anything except you refusing to answer the questions and misrepresenting Robbie? Why be so deeply dishonest?

[Nearly Sane]

For heaven's sake. Do you not know the associations here? Are you not aware of the potential shitstorm?

I cannot help you people.

You can't help people if you evade and lie as you choose to lie. Again what associations/implications/issues (add whatever other word you want to add to evade)? Stop lying and evading.

[Maeght]

For heaven's sake. Do you not know the associations here? Are you not aware of the potential shitstorm?

I cannot help you people.

Why not just say what you are getting at? Aren't you really sure?

[Robbie]

For heaven's sake. Do you not know the associations here? Are you not aware of the potential shitstorm?

I cannot help you people.

Do we need your help, Private?

I'm not aware of any potential shitstorm except for the accused and his accusers. It isn't going to taint the organisation for which he works or his colleagues any more than a groper in a garment factory taints the reputation of the garments. It isn't a care home for goodness sake or a cult, a young offenders' institution, a hospital or a prison, all of which attract abusers. He's a scientist, if he's guilty it won't impact the scientific community, only him.

The matter is being dealt with in an open and correct way which is what one would expect of a professional organisation.

You think we don't 'get' what you're implying, which you refuse to explain coherently; I believe we do understand but am pretty sure you don't have an inkling about what any of us are meaning.

[Nearly Sane]

Do we need your help, Private?

I'm not aware of any potential shitstorm except for the accused and his accusers. It isn't going to taint the organisation for which he works or his colleagues any more than a groper in a garment factory taints the reputation of the garments. It isn't a care home for goodness sake or a cult, a young offenders' institution, a hospital or a prison, all of which attract abusers. He's a scientist, if he's guilty it won't impact the scientific community, only him.

The matter is being dealt with in an open and correct way which is what one would expect of a professional organisation.

You think we don't 'get' what you're implying, which you refuse to explain coherently; I believe we do understand but am pretty sure you don't have an inkling about what any of us are meaning.

Good post, but I actually have no inkling about Vlad means. Thar's why I asked him so many times.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Did Vladdo ever manage to tell us what this supposed "issue" might be, or are we writing this off now as a failed slur by association?

Ta.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Did Vladdo ever manage to tell us what this supposed "issue" might be, or are we writing this off now as a failed slur by association?

Ta.

That will depend on which side religionethics atheists wish to be found at the resolution of the Krauss affair.

[Maeght]

That will depend on which side religionethics atheists wish to be found at the resolution of the Krauss affair.

What?

[bluehillside Retd.]

That will depend on which side religionethics atheists wish to be found at the resolution of the Krauss affair.

So that's a "no" to the first question and a "yes" to the second then.

Thought so.

[Maeght]

Do we need your help, Private?

I'm not aware of any potential shitstorm except for the accused and his accusers. It isn't going to taint the organisation for which he works or his colleagues any more than a groper in a garment factory taints the reputation of the garments. It isn't a care home for goodness sake or a cult, a young offenders' institution, a hospital or a prison, all of which attract abusers. He's a scientist, if he's guilty it won't impact the scientific community, only him.

The matter is being dealt with in an open and correct way which is what one would expect of a professional organisation.

You think we don't 'get' what you're implying, which you refuse to explain coherently; I believe we do understand but am pretty sure you don't have an inkling about what any of us are meaning.

I can guess that by linking someone who is a self identified antitheist with such behaviour Private Fraser thinks this casts doubt on the ethical arguments out forward by antitheists. This is a guess but like to know then that can be discussed.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So that's a "no" to the first question and a "yes" to the second then.

Thought so.

So that's a nothing to see here let's move swiftly on then?

Good luck with that.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I can guess that by linking someone who is a self iddntified antitheistcwith such behaviour Private Fraser thinks this casts doubt on the ethical arguments out forward by antitheists. This is a guess but like to know then that can be discussed.

If he is linked to that behaviour what has that to do with me?
In any case the allegations are under investigation although other prominent atheists and secularist organisations have stated changes in their relationship with him.