Prominent antitheist suspended

[bluehillside Retd.]

I don't understand why you are still expecting this.

It’s because you said I’d suggested something that I hadn’t suggested at all. You lied.

The words write this off are his.

No, the “writing off” refers to the slur you attempted in your OP by linking “antitheist” with ”suspended”, not in any way, shape or form to the disciplinary procedures at an American University. 

The context that I am wrong to bring this up is his idea

The context that you’re wrong about is the slur you attempted, and only that.

The support you are giving him on his points where he appears to know what my motives are which are his idea and cannot be directly attributed to me is yours.

There is no such support. What there is though is the recognition that you lied (again) about me by claiming I’d suggested something I hadn’t suggested at all. 

I don't have to expose myself to the posse so I'm afraid it's ciao for now.

Of course it is Vlad, of course it is. So much easier than owning up to the lie and apologising for it eh?

What does that say about you do you think?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No you suggested that it was that the allegations against Krauss were to be dismissed. That isn't what his post suggested. Further you are the misrepresenting me here. Stop playing the victim and stop lying. And you owe bhs an apology for saying he thinks the allegations against Krauss should be written off

Anyone can read where Hillside suggests writing this off as something I have supposed to have got wrong.

writing off is an unfortunate thing to suggest I'm afraid.

[Maeght]

Anyone can read where Hillside suggests writing this off as something I have supposed to have got wrong.

writing off is an unfortunate thing to suggest I'm afraid.

Have read it and it doesn't suggest writing off the allegations.

[Nearly Sane]

Anyone can read where Hillside suggests writing this off as something I have supposed to have got wrong.

writing off is an unfortunate thing to suggest I'm afraid.

It doesn't suggest writing off the allegations. Stop lying

[Robbie]

To Vlad: I don't believe you're lying but you've seriously got the wrong end of the stick. The alleged misdemeanours will have no effect on the scientific community or on antitheists, atheists or agnostics. You seem to believe the opposite & appear to be gleefully rubbing your hands together in anticipation which I do not understand.

Why don't we just wait and see what happens.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

To Vlad: I don't believe you're lying but you've seriously got the wrong end of the stick. The alleged misdemeanours will have no effect on the scientific community or on antitheists, atheists or agnostics. You seem to believe the opposite & appear to be gleefully rubbing your hands together in anticipation which I do not understand.

Why don't we just wait and see what happens.

Thank you.
What I have constantly said is suspension is a neutral act and therefore Dr Krauss is innocent of anything. I have nothing to gloat about.
I think this is the equivalent in the new atheist community of one of say the apostles being suspended or say the Bishop of London being suspended. I would not expect that to go uncommented on nor would I wish it.

Contrast that with this thread where we have been invited to write this of as just one of Vlads slurs.

[Nearly Sane]

Thank you.
What I have constantly said is suspension is a neutral act and therefore Dr Krauss is innocent of anything.
I think this is the equivalent in the new atheist community of one of say the apostles being suspended or say the Bishop of London being suspended. I would not expect that to go uncommented on nor would I expect it to.

Contrast that with this thread where we have been invited to write this of as just one of Vlads slurs.

No, again bhs did not say that any allegations against Krauss should be written off - stop lying

[Robbie]

I think it is your strange and sometimes obscure inferences, Vlad (everyone else is calling you "Vlad" so I'm joining), that have been suggested could be written off, not the alleged offences.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think it is your strange and sometimes obscure inferences, Vlad (everyone else is calling you "Vlad" so I'm joining), that have been suggested could be written off, not the alleged offences.

Reply 11 I state what I am saying
Reply12 Hillsides response to my point

I then repeat what the issue is.
Thales three words are my central inferences. If there are others that are strange and obscure I would move they are not mine.

[Nearly Sane]

Reply 11 I state what I am saying
Reply12 Hillsides response to my point

I then repeat what the issue is.
Thales three words are my central inferences. If there are others that are strange and obscure I would move they are not mine.

So this is Reply 11

'Hillside my only statement on this is that he is a prominent antitheist and he has been suspended. Suspension is a neutral act. He has then as far as we know done nothing.'


Which explains noting about the signifivance of Krauss being an antitheist in relation to the allegations.


And what does 'Thales three words are my central inferences' mean? Which 3 words? What are you inferring?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad the Mendacious,

Anyone can read where Hillside suggests writing this off as something I have supposed to have got wrong.

writing off is an unfortunate thing to suggest I'm afraid.

No anyone can’t because I haven’t said any such thing. Not have I suggested it. Or implied it. Or hinted at it. Or anything that remotely resembles the lie you’re repeating.

Thank you.
What I have constantly said is suspension is a neutral act and therefore Dr Krauss is innocent of anything. I have nothing to gloat about.
I think this is the equivalent in the new atheist community of one of say the apostles being suspended or say the Bishop of London being suspended. I would not expect that to go uncommented on nor would I wish it.

Contrast that with this thread where we have been invited to write this of as just one of Vlads slurs.

No, what you said (in the OP in fact and with no additional comment and posted on the Theism and Atheism board) was, “Prominent antitheist suspended”, clearly implying that his “antitheism” was in some way connected with his suspension. That’s the slur, and that’s the only thing I’ve said can be “written off” as it’s just scummy behaviour.

If you genuinely thought the story was of any interest in its own right, you could just have posted “Laurence Krauss suspended” on the General Discussion board and left it at that.

That’s not what you did though was it?

Reply 11 I state what I am saying

Reply12 Hillsides response to my point

I then repeat what the issue is.
Thales three words are my central inferences. If there are others that are strange and obscure I would move they are not mine.

So here’s what Reply 11 actually says:

“Hillside my only statement on this is that he is a prominent antitheist and he has been suspended. Suspension is a neutral act. He has then as far as we know done nothing.”

And here’s what Reply 12 actually says:

“Bullshit”

The “Bullsihit” clearly refers to your lie, “…my only statement on this…etc”. There is no possible way it could be read as suggesting, “I bluehillside think the charges against Krauss should be dropped”.

The more you keep lying about this, the more and bigger the apologies you owe me. You do realise that right?

So why not finally grow a pair, admit the lie, apologise for it and stop lying in future?

Seriously – why not for once do the decent thing here?

[Robbie]

I have a feeling it might not be a bad idea to....write off...this thread.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I have a feeling it might not be a bad idea to....write off...this thread.

I believe there may be people who would indeed welcome that we move swiftly on.
It is no surprise that flagging up trouble at new atheist mill. Is met with almost superhuman and deeply unpleasant resistance

[Nearly Sane]

I believe there may be people who would indeed welcome that we move swiftly on.

It would help to do that if you apologised to bhs for lying about what he said.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Robbie,

I have a feeling it might not be a bad idea to....write off...this thread.

As Vlad's been so comprehensively trounced now I'd agree. If he genuinely thinks that Krauss's suspension is of interest to this mb he's entirely welcome to start a thread "Laurence Krauss suspended" or similar on the General Discussion board where it would belong. If anyone's interested, presumably the replies would be along the lines of, "sounds awful but as no-one knows anything more about it than the press reports there's nothing to talk about here".

[Robbie]

I believe there may be people who would indeed welcome that we move swiftly on.
It is no surprise that flagging up trouble at new atheist mill. Is met with almost superhuman and deeply unpleasant resistance

You just don't get it!

I'm not an atheist but can see it's a stupid thread with you trying to make this into something it obviously isn't.

Robbie,

As Vlad's been so comprehensively trounced now I'd agree. If he genuinely thinks that Krauss's suspension is of interest to this mb he's entirely welcome to start a thread "Laurence Krauss suspended" or similar on the General Discussion board where it would belong. If anyone's interested, presumably the replies would be along the lines of, "sounds awful but as no-one knows anything more about it than the press reports there's nothing to talk about here"./b]

Yes!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

I believe there may be people who would indeed welcome that we move swiftly on.

Then apologise and move on, rather than...

It is no surprise that flagging up trouble at new atheist mill. Is met with almost superhuman and deeply unpleasant resistance

...repeat the slur as you have here by (again) associating Krauss's suspension with "new atheism".

Why are you so deeply dishonest do you think? Is being caught out lying a price really worth paying for the attention you clearly crave? 

Seems like a very high price to me - the utter loss of any credibility you may have had left. It's your call though I guess.

[Nearly Sane]

Robbie,

As Vlad's been so comprehensively trounced now I'd agree. If he genuinely thinks that Krauss's suspension is of interest to this mb he's entirely welcome to start a thread "Laurence Krauss suspended" or similar on the General Discussion board where it would belong. If anyone's interested, presumably the replies would be along the lines of, "sounds awful but as no-one knows anything more about it than the press reports there's nothing to talk about here".

Tbh I have to say I don't understand why Vlad doesn't go with the Epstein story. Yes, it's old but it is Krauss talking pish science in defence of a convicted sex offender. Now, I don't think that scientists everywhere should be embarrassed by someone doing this, despite what the link below says, but his misunderstanding of science and the useless and offensive argument is at least related to him being a scientist, though it doesn't mean any other arguments he makes on science are wrong.



http://skepchick.org/2011/04/lawrence-krauss-defends-a-sex-offender-embarrasses-scientists-everywhere/

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Robbie,

As Vlad's been so comprehensively trounced now I'd agree. If he genuinely thinks that Krauss's suspension is of interest to this mb he's entirely welcome to start a thread "Laurence Krauss suspended" or similar on the General Discussion board where it would belong. If anyone's interested, presumably the replies would be along the lines of, "sounds awful but as no-one knows anything more about it than the press reports there's nothing to talk about here".

What has been trounced? The thread is in place with its title.
The thread cannot be removed since it would look like antitheists trying to bury trouble at antitheist mill.
Good luck to you all and as far as prominent antitheist Dr Krauss is concerned he is innocent since no judgment has been made.

Finally aloha oi.Im afraid I'm going to have to put myself on long term suspension from this forum

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

Tbh I have to say I don't understand why Vlad doesn't go with the Epstein story. Yes, it's old but it is Krauss talking pish science in defence of a convicted sex offender. Now, I don't think that scientists everywhere should be embarrassed by someone doing this, despite what the link below says, but his misunderstanding of science and the useless and offensive argument is at least related to him being a scientist, though it doesn't mean any other arguments he makes on science are wrong.

http://skepchick.org/2011/04/lawrence-krauss-defends-a-sex-offender-embarrasses-scientists-everywhere/

Well yes, if he really wanted to attack Krauss he'd be on safer ground that way but it'd still have bugger all to do with his atheism, "new atheism", "antitheism" etc which Vlad is so desperate to tar by association.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Since it would appear Vlad has left the building without clarifying his stance I'm drawing a line under this: for now at least.

Vlad: if you wish to discuss further, or propose a reply that might be a basis for unlocking this thread, feel free to contact me by PM.