Come on Poland

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

Now how did I miss this one.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/351722,Poland-introduces-partial-ban-on-Sunday-trading

According to wikki Poland is a very up and coming nation.

Is anyone up on the politics of Poland.

Gonnagle.

[Aruntraveller]

I used to be. My friends there tell me it hasn't changed.

So that's xenophobic in the extreme, right wing - particularly socially, corrupt and subservient to the wishes of an unduly influential Catholic Church, which is where I suspect the push for these Sunday trading laws come from.

Don't get me wrong I love Poland, but politically for me it is unacceptable and not to be admired.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Forum,

Now how did I miss this one.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/351722,Poland-introduces-partial-ban-on-Sunday-trading

According to wikki Poland is a very up and coming nation.

Is anyone up on the politics of Poland.

Gonnagle.

This will certainly upset folks who are against a time for personal and social reflection away from a gaderene social rush to confusion and overextension.

[SteveH]

Jolly good show. We should ban Sunday opening, with a few obvious exceptions, here. Individual coucil wards could then opt to have their trading-ban day on a Saturday or Friday, if the ward in question is predominantly Jewish or Muslim.

[Robbie]

I also heard it is 'up and coming'; friends have even thought of buying a place there whereas Spain and France used to be the place to do that. I've not been so can't judge first hand. Couldn't care less about partial Sunday trading laws which we used to have here not that long ago and managed, I suppose if you were in Poland you'd just accept them & make sure you had what you wanted in advance.

StevenH:- "...opt to have their trading-ban day on a Saturday or Friday, if the ward in question is predominantly Jewish or Muslim."

Yeah why not.

Can't say I fancy Poland all that much tho even if it is 'up and coming' but that's personal choice.

[Gordon]

Jolly good show. We should ban Sunday opening, with a few obvious exceptions, here. Individual coucil wards could then opt to have their trading-ban day on a Saturday or Friday, if the ward in question is predominantly Jewish or Muslim.

Can't see the need for a trading ban at all: there are no Sunday restrictions at all here in Scotland and there are no frightened horses roaming the streets.

[ippy]

Jolly good show. We should ban Sunday opening, with a few obvious exceptions, here. Individual coucil wards could then opt to have their trading-ban day on a Saturday or Friday, if the ward in question is predominantly Jewish or Muslim.

Nobody wants you to go shopping on a Sunday if you don't want to, why are you, as it seems to me, so interested in giving directions to others about the things people should do or not do on Sundays, like shopping.?
Regards ippy

[Gonnagle]

Dear ippy,

Giving directions, well I think we should be giving directions, or do you think it is all sweetness and light in our lovely garden of Eden?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43312464

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43246263

Tip of the iceberg ippy old chap and speaking of icebergs, I for one would like to keep some icebergs, here's a thought, forget any religious meaning to Sunday closing, lets make it a world awareness day regarding consumerism and pollution.

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear ippy,

Giving directions, well I think we should be giving directions, or do you think it is all sweetness and light in our lovely garden of Eden?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43312464

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43246263

Tip of the iceberg ippy old chap and speaking of icebergs, I for one would like to keep some icebergs, here's a thought, forget any religious meaning to Sunday closing, lets make it a world awareness day regarding consumerism and pollution.

Gonnagle.

Yes can it be any coincidence that personal debt rises with spending opportunities.

[Enki]

Dear ippy,

Giving directions, well I think we should be giving directions, or do you think it is all sweetness and light in our lovely garden of Eden?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43312464

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43246263

Tip of the iceberg ippy old chap and speaking of icebergs, I for one would like to keep some icebergs, here's a thought, forget any religious meaning to Sunday closing, lets make it a world awareness day regarding consumerism and pollution.

Gonnagle.

Why Sunday? You're far too restrictive. Let's make every day a world awareness day as regards such things as pollution. As far as consumerism goes, my wife has just been shopping in order to buy some buns and cakes to be given at a dance we are holding tonight to celebrate one of our dancer's birthdays who has recently lost his wife. What's wrong with that? As far as Sunday goes, it's just another day as far as I am concerned, and I resent the idea of shopping hours being forcibly restricted on Sundays. Why on earth should they? As you say, forget any religious meaning, except, of course, for those who wish to remember any religious meaning. That would be entirely up to them.

[SteveH]

Nobody wants you to go shopping on a Sunday if you don't want to, why are you, as it seems to me, so interested in giving directions to others about the things people should do or not do on Sundays, like shopping.?
Regards ippy

Because shop workers then have to work on Sundays, as do more police, and other emergency service personnel. It is good for as many people as possible to have the same day off each week, which is why USDAW, the shop-workers Union, which has no religious axe to grind, was opposed to the relaxation of Sunday opening rules.

[ippy]

Dear ippy,

Giving directions, well I think we should be giving directions, or do you think it is all sweetness and light in our lovely garden of Eden?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43312464

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43246263

Tip of the iceberg ippy old chap and speaking of icebergs, I for one would like to keep some icebergs, here's a thought, forget any religious meaning to Sunday closing, lets make it a world awareness day regarding consumerism and pollution.

Gonnagle.

I had a look at your links?

Why do you want to stop anyone shopping on a Sunday Gonners? No matter how useless I think going to church on a Sunday is, well that's up to the individual I have no wish to stop those already infected with the religion bug doing anything legal, it's none of my business.

Likewise it's nothing to do with you if anyone is wanting to go about their lawful business, including on Sundays and that goes for whatever it is Vlad is blabbering on about too.

Regards ippy


 

[Enki]

Because shop workers then have to work on Sundays, as do more police, and other emergency service personnel. It is good for as many people as possible to have the same day off each week, which is why USDAW, the shop-workers Union, which has no religious axe to grind, was opposed to the relaxation of Sunday opening rules.

Some shop workers don't object at all to working on Sundays. All you have to do is make it part of the law that they are not forced to do so. I fail to see how more police and other emergency service personnel will be particularly inconvenienced if shops open for longer. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

[SteveH]

Some shop workers don't object at all to working on Sundays. All you have to do is make it part of the law that they are not forced to do so. I fail to see how more police and other emergency service personnel will be particularly inconvenienced if shops open for longer. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

Because - obviously, I'd've thought - there will be more people in town centres.

[ippy]

Because shop workers then have to work on Sundays, as do more police, and other emergency service personnel. It is good for as many people as possible to have the same day off each week, which is why USDAW, the shop-workers Union, which has no religious axe to grind, was opposed to the relaxation of Sunday opening rules.

 

Lots of young parents are glad of the opportunity to go out to work for extra money while their spouse is likely to be able to care for their youngsters and as far as I know the criminal world doesn't always take Sundays off, nor do buildings always manage to catch fire during the working week not on Sundays, these things do not represent anything that only occurs in my imagination, there a number of reasons people want to shop on a Sunday, so what, why not?

Regards ippy

[SteveH]

https://www.usdaw.org.uk/Campaigns/Keep-Sunday-Special

[Gonnagle]

Dear enki,

No sorry, I was replying to ippy when he spoke about giving direction, we need a day of focus, people need to think, why are there no shops open, we do have to give direction, we need to wake everyone up to the fact that we are poisoning our planet, this not a small problem, it is rampant, one day a week when you leave the car at home, one day a week when we use Shanks's pony, one day a week when we all get on our bicycle, and for me, one day a week when we all appreciate Gods gift, this little planet.

Gonnagle.

[Enki]

Because - obviously, I'd've thought - there will be more people in town centres.

On the face of it, that seems a fair point except that many shops, including most supermarkets, aren't in town centres at all, and I can't remember the last time I saw a policeman anywhere near a shop, unless it was to buy something.  Also, all sorts of events already take place on Sundays where police might be needed, As regards the emergency services, do fires not break out on Sundays, do people not need A&E on Sundays, does traffic stop on Sundays? A far greater problem for the emergency services is the number of people in pubs and wine bars, and their greatest problem is on Saturday nights. I can't see how an increase in shopping hours on Sundays is going to make any appreciable difference to this at all.

[ippy]

https://www.usdaw.org.uk/Campaigns/Keep-Sunday-Special

That's link's a point of view, most people would prefer to do as they wish, me too, good luck with preventing Sunday opening, you'll need it.

Regards ippy   

[Enki]

Dear enki,

No sorry, I was replying to ippy when he spoke about giving direction, we need a day of focus, people need to think, why are there no shops open, we do have to give direction, we need to wake everyone up to the fact that we are poisoning our planet, this not a small problem, it is rampant, one day a week when you leave the car at home, one day a week when we use Shanks's pony, one day a week when we all get on our bicycle, and for me, one day a week when we all appreciate Gods gift, this little planet.

Gonnagle.

To me this smacks of pie in the sky. I very much doubt that shops closing early on Sundays leads to people thinking about the damaging things we are doing to our planet. I think the problem goes much deeper, and one of the foremost ways of dealing with this, to my mind, is through education and the dissemination of accurate information.

The idea that people leave the car at home for one day a week(Sundays) just isn't going to work. Sundays, especially in Summer, already leads to people using their cars, often more than on weekdays, as they visit relatives, go for picnics, attend events, descend on the countryside and the coast, for instance.

I very much doubt whether most people reflect and appreciate 'God's gift, this little planet' mainly because most people aren't particularly religious. They are probably much more aware of how  they can find a parking space at the local supermarket or how they can defeat the frustrating traffic jam they are in as they head towards the coast. And for those that do appreciate 'God's gift', I would hope that they would do that whatever the day of the week it may be.

[Gordon]

Every time this subject comes up I'm always amazed at how contentious this is down south: it is routine here, so I'm guessing that is must be a local culture issue elsewhere.

If I want to I can do a full weekly shop at 9 pm tonight (and every Sunday that isn't affected by Xmas or New Year) since the large Tesco and Asda branches nearby are open until 10 pm on Sundays. Presumably the detail of employment arrangements that apply here in Scotland might be just as applicable in the likes of Manchester or Mansfield and I'm sure that the likes of USDAW (looking at the link Steve H posted earlier) know this.

The problem with the 'Keep Sunday Special' approach is that not everyone regards Sunday as being all that special to start with, and it seems to me that the 'special' status with regard to trading is being advanced by those who'd rather we all complied with their definition of 'special' and amended our expectations to suit their preferred constraints on activity on Sundays.

Reminds me of this quote from Bertrand Russell:

The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others.

   

[floo]

I am in two minds. Obviously I don't think Sunday is special for religious reasons, but I think shop workers should have one day of the week when the hours were shorter.

[Robbie]

I remember - which seems like aeons ago tho is prob'ly not that long - when Sunday trading was introduced and people who were not religious talked about shop workers having a bad deal; however they don't have to work on Sundays, that's in their contracts, they have a choice.

Personally I like Sunday trading, not that I go shopping that often but am happy for shopping centres to be open on Sunday. The Glades in Bromley is lovely, people take their kids and eat out which is fun and a good thing.

Before Sunday training was the norm there were always a few shops ('handy' type shops), that were open Sundays if you ran out of anything.

Nevertheless if I went abroad somewhere where there was no Sunday shopping, I'd be prepared and cope - wouldn't we all? Not big deal.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

Well so far the arguments against are, what's the word I am looking for, never mind it will come to me, but it seems to me you are all missing the bigger picture, enki talks about education, guess what, the kids get it, the kids are savvy, it is our throw away generation who has caused the poisoning, why because we never thought through our 24/7 culture.

When your Grands kids visit you in your wee retirement house, will they look at you with love or will they ask, what the hell were you thinking, when they ask, why can I only see a Polar bear in a zoo, when they ask,

https://www.rainforest-rescue.org/topics/palm-oil

Just so you could go out and buy 24/7.

We need a boot up the arse, we are all far to busy worrying about mortgages and stupid catchment areas and our pensions, when what we need to be focusing on is the world we are going to leave our kids.

Rant over, well for now

Gonnagle.

[ippy]

Dear enki,

No sorry, I was replying to ippy when he spoke about giving direction, we need a day of focus, people need to think, why are there no shops open, we do have to give direction, we need to wake everyone up to the fact that we are poisoning our planet, this not a small problem, it is rampant, one day a week when you leave the car at home, one day a week when we use Shanks's pony, one day a week when we all get on our bicycle, and for me, one day a week when we all appreciate Gods gift, this little planet.

Gonnagle.

'We all appreciate Gods gift, this little planet', nobody knows if it did or not including you Gonners, or even knows if such a he she or it thing did/does exist.

Promise I won't try to control any of your legal pursuits, except telling lies to very young children.

Regards ippy