Come on Poland

[ad_orientem]

It would be nice to have normal working hours. Shift work and weekends must be even worse if you have a family.

[jeremyp]

I am in two minds. Obviously I don't think Sunday is special for religious reasons, but I think shop workers should have one day of the week when the hours were shorter.

I wasn’t aware that shop workers are being made to work seven days a week. The hours they do work are governed by European employment law. I’d be far more concerned, as a shop worker, about what the government is going to do about those laws post Brexit than being forced to have one of my days off on Sunday thanks to a useless religious superstition.

[ad_orientem]

Don't you think it's good idea that people can have a couple of days off work when most other people do? Having a Tuesday or Wednesday off is great when all your family and friends are at work and then working Sunday when they're off. They may not be forced to like having a gun pointed to their head but financially they may have no choice to accept such terms.

[jeremyp]

Don't you think it's good idea that people can have a couple of days off work when most other people do? Having a Tuesday or Wednesday off is great when all your family and friends are at work and then working Sunday when they're off. They may not be forced to like having a gun pointed to their head but financially they may have no choice to accept such terms.

What's the point of having a day off if everything is shut?

In Scotland, there are no restrictions on Sunday trading and the World has not ended. Shop workers are not throwing themselves off tall buildings.

[ad_orientem]

I'm sure it's all very convenient to the customer and all those people with middle class jobs who work monday to friday 9-5.

[SusanDoris]

thank goodness, a return to restrictive practices on a Sunday is one thing that is vanishingly unlikely to be brought back.

If those who wish such an extremely backward step were to be consistent, then they should campaign for electrical and gas power to be switched off, no public transport to run, there would be no police on duty, no-one stacking shelves ready for Monday, no bakers preparing bread for the Monday sales, etc.

[Enki]

Dear Forum,

Well so far the arguments against are, what's the word I am looking for, never mind it will come to me, but it seems to me you are all missing the bigger picture, enki talks about education, guess what, the kids get it, the kids are savvy, it is our throw away generation who has caused the poisoning, why because we never thought through our 24/7 culture.

When your Grands kids visit you in your wee retirement house, will they look at you with love or will they ask, what the hell were you thinking, when they ask, why can I only see a Polar bear in a zoo, when they ask,

https://www.rainforest-rescue.org/topics/palm-oil

Just so you could go out and buy 24/7.

We need a boot up the arse, we are all far to busy worrying about mortgages and stupid catchment areas and our pensions, when what we need to be focusing on is the world we are going to leave our kids.

Rant over, well for now

Gonnagle.

It seems to me that it is you who are missing the bigger picture, Gonners. Extending the hours for shopping on a Sunday will not affect the things that you have listed, and which many of us care about, in the least. As far as I am concerned, and going back to the actual reason for this thread, Poland seems to have taken a backwards step, and I doubt it is even for the many reasons that you enumerate.

[Gonnagle]

Dear enki,

The bigger picture!! It is the bigger picture I have been harping on about where as everyone else seems to be going on about loss of wages, the wee Mother being able to make some extra cash at the weekend or we don't want to go back to medieval times and reintroduce some superstitious nonsense.

Having one day a week when we can't just pop out and buy our plastic wrapped consumables is a step forward for the planet, we need to realise that this 24/7 culture is a mistake.

The bigger picture is the poisoning of this planet.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/42030979/blue-planet-2-how-plastic-is-slowly-killing-our-sea-creatures-fish-and-birds

We need to do something drastic and quickly, taking away what some on here call, my right to shop anytime, it would make the big shops, your Tesco and ASDA sit up and take notice, it would make the ones who think poisoning the planet is someone else's problem actually start to think about this problem.

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Having one day a week when we can't just pop out and buy our plastic wrapped consumables is a step forward for the planet, we need to realise that this 24/7 culture is a mistake.

The bigger picture is the poisoning of this planet.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/42030979/blue-planet-2-how-plastic-is-slowly-killing-our-sea-creatures-fish-and-birds

Do you have any evidence that connects shop opening times to the total amount of plastic used (which would seem to be the implication of your inclusion of the link)?

Do you actually think people would buy less if they couldn't shop on Sunday?

We need to do something drastic and quickly, taking away what some on here call, my right to shop anytime, it would make the big shops, your Tesco and ASDA sit up and take notice, it would make the ones who think poisoning the planet is someone else's problem actually start to think about this problem.

Again, what do you think the link is? Surely more direct action against plastic packaging would be far better than restricting shopping times?

[Harrowby Hall]

What bizarre logic, Gonners. The amount of plastic isn't determined by the length of opening hours, as Stranger says.

The big picture here is:

(a) better awareness on the part of consumers about their purchasing decisions so that retailers change their behaviour
(b) improved disposal behaviour by consumers
(c) joined up thinking by local government authorities - who are responsible for disposal/recycling - so that the most effective means of disposal/recycling is available to all consumers irrespective of where they live.

No two local authorities seem to be treating the same sets of plastic materials in the same manner. This is particularly important now that China has said that it doesn't want our rubbish anymore.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you have any evidence that connects shop opening times to the total amount of plastic used (which would seem to be the implication of your inclusion of the link)?

Do you actually think people would buy less if they couldn't shop on Sunday?

Again, what do you think the link is? Surely more direct action against plastic packaging would be far better than restricting shopping times?

It's not just the plastic it's everything running 24/7/52. Machines, cash tills, people etc

[Gonnagle]

Dear Stranger,

Do you have any evidence that connects shop opening times to the total amount of plastic used (which would seem to be the implication of your inclusion of the link)?

No, but I will have a wee think about that question.

Do you actually think people would buy less if they couldn't shop on Sunday?

Yes, for some, the idea of Sunday shopping is like a day out, they don't actually need anything, just somewhere to take the kids, and speaking of kids ( although I will be honest, I have a Mcdonalds coffee at the start of every working day ) have you ever visited one of those establishments early in the morning, bins crammed full, one day a week when Mcdonalds  litter is not lying all over the place.

Again, what do you think the link is? Surely more direct action against plastic packaging would be far better than restricting shopping times?

The link is, the shelves of these shops are packed with plastic covered goods.

There are other ways to tackle this tragedy,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/bulk-makert-recycling-zero-waste-first-plastic-free-market-london-hackney-a7924781.html

But these are baby steps, we need to hit everyone hard and do it now.

A question for you, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the biggest tragedy, where would you put poisoning the planet on this scale?

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Harrowby,

(a) better awareness on the part of consumers about their purchasing decisions so that retailers change their behaviour

Better awareness?? I work for the biggest employer in Britain, can you point me to any link where they are taking this tragedy seriously, half the staff I talk to have never seen the programme Blue planet, I have signs all over my dept, take your plastic home with you it falls on deaf ears.

Actually, here's a thought, should we treat plastic the same way we treat tobacco??

To make the public aware we need drastic action, how about renaming Sunday, world awareness day

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Vlad,

It's not just the plastic it's everything running 24/7/52. Machines, cash tills, people etc

Very true, I read somewhere that we use a litre of water everytime we send an email, I wonder how much water I have wasted on this forum

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Yes, for some, the idea of Sunday shopping is like a day out, they don't actually need anything, just somewhere to take the kids, and speaking of kids ( although I will be honest, I have a Mcdonalds coffee at the start of every working day ) have you ever visited one of those establishments early in the morning, bins crammed full, one day a week when Mcdonalds  litter is not lying all over the place.

I haven't been in a McDonalds for decades (literally). Sure, some people may buy stuff they otherwise wouldn't just because of a day out, but what proportion of total plastic use do you think that is?

The link is, the shelves of these shops are packed with plastic covered goods.

There are other ways to tackle this tragedy,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/bulk-makert-recycling-zero-waste-first-plastic-free-market-london-hackney-a7924781.html

But these are baby steps, we need to hit everyone hard and do it now.

A question for you, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the biggest tragedy, where would you put poisoning the planet on this scale?

What I'm disagreeing with is that stopping shopping on one day a week is 'hitting everyone hard' at least in relation to the problem of plastics. If we want to have an impact on plastic use, then we need to address that directly. I can't see how one day with the shops shut is (of itself) going to have anything but a marginal impact on plastic use. The shelves of the shops would still be packed with plastic covered goods for people to buy as much as they want to.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Stranger,

My question again.

A question for you, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the biggest tragedy, where would you put poisoning the planet on this scale?

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

''by all indicators things are getting better'' this I know.
for Steven Pinker tells me so.

Good luck trying to convince the New Atheists things aren't rosy in the garden.

[Stranger]

My question again.

A question for you, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the biggest tragedy, where would you put poisoning the planet on this scale?

Well that's a way for you to avoid the points I made. Of course "poisoning the planet" is a tragedy but you seem more concerned with twisting it into a 'reason' for your religious ideas about a "day of rest", than actually doing something effective to tackle the problems...

[ippy]

Dear enki,

The bigger picture!! It is the bigger picture I have been harping on about where as everyone else seems to be going on about loss of wages, the wee Mother being able to make some extra cash at the weekend or we don't want to go back to medieval times and reintroduce some superstitious nonsense.

Having one day a week when we can't just pop out and buy our plastic wrapped consumables is a step forward for the planet, we need to realise that this 24/7 culture is a mistake.

The bigger picture is the poisoning of this planet.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/42030979/blue-planet-2-how-plastic-is-slowly-killing-our-sea-creatures-fish-and-birds

We need to do something drastic and quickly, taking away what some on here call, my right to shop anytime, it would make the big shops, your Tesco and ASDA sit up and take notice, it would make the ones who think poisoning the planet is someone else's problem actually start to think about this problem.

Gonnagle.

I couldn't help noting that misquote coming from, that not such a good old boy', Gonners, where I made a point of describing this wee mother working on a Sunday trying to gain a bit more income, because her spouse would more likely to be at home and able to look after the children, we all know how hard it is on the income bringing up children and 'good old Gonners' just happened to miss this bit out. (underlined).

Not exactly the thing we are often minded to expect about about good old christians and the way they're supposed to behave, mind, it's all a part of the bigger picture?

Regards ippy     

[Gonnagle]

Dear Stranger,

Aye right!!

I addressed all your points to the best of my abilities, and how the fuck am I using religious reason, oh that's right, I mentioned God's gift to us, sue me I am a Christian.

Never mind I will watch what happens in Poland, see if their economy crashes because they chose to have one sacred day.

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear ippy,

Oh sorry did I misquote you, oh dear, dearie dearie me, is this the bit where I am accused of lying because I failed to quote you word for word, God in Govan give me strength, you would rather pick little misquotes instead of engaging in serious debate.

Gonnagle.

[wigginhall]

I don't think the Polish economy is going to crash, but unfortunately, they are turning into a right wing country, which wants to ban abortion, stop judges being independent, target immigrants with racist slogans, and so on.   A kind of right wing nationalism. 

[Gonnagle]

Dear who gives a monkey's,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43363545

T

o analyse river sediments, researchers isolated patches of riverbed and measured the concentration within those patches. Some urban "hotspots" contained hundreds of thousands of plastic particles per square metre. This included a site at the River Tame in Denton - a downstream, suburban stretch of river - that contained more than half a million plastic particles per square metre.

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Aye right!!

I addressed all your points to the best of my abilities, and how the fuck am I using religious reason, oh that's right, I mentioned God's gift to us, sue me I am a Christian.

You didn't seem to want to face the fact that what you are proposing would be marginal compared with other measures. You've mentioned your ideas about a day off elsewhere. Your motivation would appear to be a day off for everyone first and saving the planet next.

Never mind I will watch what happens in Poland, see if their economy crashes because they chose to have one sacred day.

Has somebody suggested it might? Perhaps we should be more concerned with how much they reduce their plastic use...?

[wigginhall]

Poland sounds like a very scary place right now.   The ultra-right are on the increase, foreigners are attacked, racism is practically official policy, anti-gay slogans are seen on marches, and 'white Europe' also.   I'm not sure about their use of plastics.